{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5270", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5270, "subject": "AEG voices", "messages": 6, "voices": 6, "first": "2008-12-11T06:03:50+00:00", "last": "2008-12-12T03:51:54+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<002c01c95b56$40e90d60$31cf4a0c@rclackey>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2008-12-11T06:03:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG voices", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Who--or what--are the voices in Gid's hopper that Computer Lady didn't hear?\nShould I have recognized them from another source, as is the case for the\nSquid god? Why do they egg her on?\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-12-11T14:17:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG voices", "in_reply_to": "<002c01c95b56$40e90d60$31cf4a0c@rclackey>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Who--or what--are the voices in Gid's hopper that Computer Lady didn't \nhear?\nShould I have recognized them from another source, as is the case for the\nSquid god? Why do they egg her on?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I thought they were \"Gray Neighbors\" mentioned at the Wrap Party at the \nbeginning of the book. The fact that they are there means that Chase is a \nwizard, not merely a scientist or high-tech fixer, which we knew when he had \nCassie possessed by an Aphrodite-daemon.\n\nIf Wolfe had made a few very slight modifications to the book, he would have \nhad a nice juvenalia series here.\n\nJ " } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d10812110834p261a24fby167255f69c998651@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-12-11T16:34:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG voices", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:17 AM, James Wynn wrote:\n\nIf Wolfe had made a few very slight modifications to the book, he would have\nhad a nice juvenalia series here.\n\nJ" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As has been stated elsewhere, Gideon is (or pretends to be) the sort\nof pulp hero that kids of all ages love - he's dashing, he's\nmysterious, he has a cool car. He's like Batman or the Shadow. It's\nodd how nostalgic a book ostensibly set in the future is.\n\nAre there any interviews where Wolfe talks much about his childhood\nreading? You can infer a lot from his books (Oz, the pulps, etc.), but\nI'd love to see some sort of list.\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1444259409-1229013444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1852011065-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2008-12-11T16:37:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG voices", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10812110834p261a24fby167255f69c998651@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Anyone else read \"The Chinatown Death Cloud Peril\"???\nTalk about homages to pulps....fun easy story with real pulp authers as characters\n------Original Message------\nFrom: Matthew Keeley\nSender: \nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nReplyTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSent: Dec 11, 2008 8:34 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) AEG voices" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:17 AM, James Wynn wrote:\n\nIf Wolfe had made a few very slight modifications to the book, he would have\nhad a nice juvenalia series here.\n\nJ" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As has been stated elsewhere, Gideon is (or pretends to be) the sort\nof pulp hero that kids of all ages love - he's dashing, he's\nmysterious, he has a cool car. He's like Batman or the Shadow. It's\nodd how nostalgic a book ostensibly set in the future is.\n\nAre there any interviews where Wolfe talks much about his childhood\nreading? You can infer a lot from his books (Oz, the pulps, etc.), but\nI'd love to see some sort of list.\n\n-Matt" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1bf4dd40812110916t41e0396cn7ca817ea44a7e030@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Tallman", "address": "davetallman at msn.com" }, "date": "2008-12-11T17:16:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG voices", "in_reply_to": "<1444259409-1229013444-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1852011065-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nWho--or what--are the voices in Gid's hopper that Computer Lady didn't hear?\nShould I have recognized them from another source, as is the case for the\nSquid god? Why do they egg her on?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The voices make me think of spirits bound in service to a wizard. If there's\na specific literary reference, it may be to *The Tempest*:\n1) The voice like the wind is like Ariel, the airy spirit.\n2) The deep voice that tries to tempt Cassie to drink whiskey is like\nCaliban, who gets drunk along with Stephano and Trinculo.\n3) The tinny voice that mocks the car's windows is like the Shapes that act\nwith \"mocks and mows.\"\n\nBound spirits often try to carry out their own agendas when their master is\nnot closely controlling them. Chase thought it would be dangerous for Cassie\nto be in the car by herself. She tricked him so he had no opportunity to\ngive orders to the spirits, so they tried to tempt her into trouble.\n\nThere was another time when Cassie was alone in the car and didn't hear\nvoices -- the night she first met Chase. Either the spirits were not there\nthen, or they were under orders not to speak. (They may have been under\norders to cause Cassie to fall asleep. It seems odd that Chase was counting\non her staying asleep so he could hop the car to Canada. It's doubtful she\nwould have fallen asleep on her own after being called out in the middle of\nthe night to wait in a car in a bad neighborhood)." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2008-12-12T03:51:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG voices", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d10812110834p261a24fby167255f69c998651@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Matthew Keeley wrote:\nOn Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:17 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "If Wolfe had made a few very slight modifications to the book, he would have\nhad a nice juvenalia series here.\n\nJ" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "As has been stated elsewhere, Gideon is (or pretends to be) the sort\nof pulp hero that kids of all ages love - he's dashing, he's\nmysterious, he has a cool car. He's like Batman or the Shadow. It's\nodd how nostalgic a book ostensibly set in the future is.\n\nAre there any interviews where Wolfe talks much about his childhood\nreading? You can infer a lot from his books (Oz, the pulps, etc.), but\nI'd love to see some sort of list.\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In some of the interviews in _Shadows_, he talks about how as a kid he\nwould go to the pharmacy, grab one of the pulp sci-fi, mystery etc.\nmagazines, and hiding, would read as much as he could. I doubt he kept\nany real list.\n\n- --\ngwern\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAklB39MACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oI5zACfWKoXK7FFuiDrcwLKtdTmQDIv\nerUAnjF7orw/W7IPl0MmrWZbsiiRWVNt\n=fOtA\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" } ] } ] }