Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7

------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000 From: "Son of Witz" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> Subject: Re: (urth) New interview

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote: Notes & comments ... ---I'd pronounce them MAY-turrah and PAY-turrah, from the British MAY-ter and PAY-ter. The British pronounce Latin differently from Americans, so there is no right or wrong. But we don't use those words---they do or did, in public school at least. So I'd follow them. ---It's not a typo, but "Chrasmatists," meaning those people who assembled/wrote the Chrasmologic Writings (p48, NtLS). I can't find a source for "chrasmologic," not even my massive Webster's Third or even the Web, but I recall it simply means "prophetic." Someone once posted here, "Probably some form (maybe dialectical) of chresmo- and the common suffix -logy. Khresthai is Greek for to use, to need. Khrestos means useful, serviceable, good. Khresma would be a useful thing. Khresmos means oracle, prophet. Related words with this stem mean devoted to useful knowledge and learning, and a selection of passages and stories from various authors compiled as an aid to learning. The Chrasmologic Writings are the major religious work of the Vironese religion, and of other cities in the Whorl as well." Wolfe himself has said, "A melange, as you say. Typhon [the tyrannical builder and chief "god" of the Whorl] has told some secretary to put together a sacred book that will leave him plenty of elbow room. The book is sacred to Silk, not to me." This reinforces that whatever religion this is, it's not a true one. ---Finally, I haven't yet read AEG, but I have noticed a trend in Wolfe toward more action and dialog in his work, almost to the point where I have found it hard to follow which character is speaking in LS/SS. What many reviewers may not notice is that the stories themselves have become more intricate at the same time that they are more apparently slick and shallow. Reading the discussion here of AEG demonstrates that very powerfully. I doubt this derives from any laziness or interest in being popular on Wolfe's part (although he'd be silly to try to replicate or outdo TBotNS, 4 volumes he had write a 5th volume to explain). I think he is simply following what he finds interesting, reducing storytelling to its bare bones so he can have fun with it. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000 From: "Son of Witz" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> Subject: Re: (urth) New interview

On 1/7/09, Lane Haygood <lhaygood at gmail.com> wrote: In my native Texan drawl, I say them "MAY-terr-uh" and "PAH-terr-uh," as in "matron" and "pantera," respectively. I suppose saying it "PAY" like in the proper pronunciation of "patron" would be correct, but unless I'm thinking about it, I'd probably pronounce patron as "PAH-trun." Who's the PAH-trun saint of degenerate dialects? Lane On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:

Notes & comments ... ---I'd pronounce them MAY-turrah and PAY-turrah, from the British MAY-ter and PAY-ter. The British pronounce Latin differently from Americans, so there is no right or wrong. But we don't use those words---they do or did, in public school at least. So I'd follow them. ---It's not a typo, but "Chrasmatists," meaning those people who assembled/wrote the Chrasmologic Writings (p48, NtLS). I can't find a source for "chrasmologic," not even my massive Webster's Third or even the Web, but I recall it simply means "prophetic." Someone once posted here, "Probably some form (maybe dialectical) of chresmo- and the common suffix -logy. Khresthai is Greek for to use, to need. Khrestos means useful, serviceable, good. Khresma would be a useful thing. Khresmos means oracle, prophet. Related words with this stem mean devoted to useful knowledge and learning, and a selection of passages and stories from various authors compiled as an aid to learning. The Chrasmologic Writings are the major religious work of the Vironese religion, and of other cities in the Whorl as well." Wolfe himself has said, "A melange, as you say. Typhon [the tyrannical builder and chief "god" of the Whorl] has told some secretary to put together a sacred book that will leave him plenty of elbow room. The book is sacred to Silk, not to me." This reinforces that whatever religion this is, it's not a true one. ---Finally, I haven't yet read AEG, but I have noticed a trend in Wolfe toward more action and dialog in his work, almost to the point where I have found it hard to follow which character is speaking in LS/SS. What many reviewers may not notice is that the stories themselves have become more intricate at the same time that they are more apparently slick and shallow. Reading the discussion here of AEG demonstrates that very powerfully. I doubt this derives from any laziness or interest in being popular on Wolfe's part (although he'd be silly to try to replicate or outdo TBotNS, 4 volumes he had write a 5th volume to explain). I think he is simply following what he finds interesting, reducing storytelling to its bare bones so he can have fun with it. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000 From: "Son of Witz" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> Subject: Re: (urth) New interview

-----Original Message----- From: David Stockhoff [mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 10:10 AM To: urth at lists.urth.net Subject: Re: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7 Notes & comments ... ---I'd pronounce them MAY-turrah and PAY-turrah, from the British MAY-ter and PAY-ter. The British pronounce Latin differently from Americans, so there is no right or wrong. But we don't use those words---they do or did, in public school at least. So I'd follow them.

---It's not a typo, but "Chrasmatists," meaning those people who assembled/wrote the Chrasmologic Writings (p48, NtLS). I can't find a source for "chrasmologic," not even my massive Webster's Third or even the Web, but I recall it simply means "prophetic." Someone once posted here, "Probably some form (maybe dialectical) of chresmo- and the common suffix -logy. Khresthai is Greek for to use, to need. Khrestos means useful, serviceable, good. Khresma would be a useful thing. Khresmos means oracle, prophet. Related words with this stem mean devoted to useful knowledge and learning, and a selection of passages and stories from various authors compiled as an aid to learning. The Chrasmologic Writings are the major religious work of the Vironese religion, and of other cities in the Whorl as well." Wolfe himself has said, "A melange, as you say. Typhon [the tyrannical builder and chief "god" of the Whorl] has told some secretary to put together a sacred book that will leave him plenty of elbow room. The book is sacred to Silk, not to me." This reinforces that whatever religion this is, it's not a true one. ---Finally, I haven't yet read AEG, but I have noticed a trend in Wolfe toward more action and dialog in his work, almost to the point where I have found it hard to follow which character is speaking in LS/SS. What many reviewers may not notice is that the stories themselves have become more intricate at the same time that they are more apparently slick and shallow. Reading the discussion here of AEG demonstrates that very powerfully. I doubt this derives from any laziness or interest in being popular on Wolfe's part (although he'd be silly to try to replicate or outdo TBotNS, 4 volumes he had write a 5th volume to explain). I think he is simply following what he finds interesting, reducing storytelling to its bare bones so he can have fun with it. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000 From: "Son of Witz" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> Subject: Re: (urth) New interview