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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5300, "subject": "Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2009-01-07T18:10:50+00:00", "last": "2009-01-07T18:37:31+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<4964F02A.4080408@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2009-01-07T18:10:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Notes & comments ...\n\n---I'd pronounce them MAY-turrah and PAY-turrah, from the British MAY-ter and PAY-ter. The British pronounce Latin differently from Americans, so there is no right or wrong. But we don't use those words---they do or did, in public school at least. So I'd follow them.\n\n---It's not a typo, but \"Chrasmatists,\" meaning those people who assembled/wrote the Chrasmologic Writings (p48, NtLS). \n\nI can't find a source for \"chrasmologic,\" not even my massive Webster's Third or even the Web, but I recall it simply means \"prophetic.\" \n\nSomeone once posted here, \"Probably some form (maybe dialectical) of chresmo- and the common suffix -logy. Khresthai is Greek for to use, to need. Khrestos means useful, serviceable, good. Khresma would be a useful thing. Khresmos means oracle, prophet. Related words with this stem mean devoted to useful knowledge and learning, and a selection of passages and stories from various authors compiled as an aid to learning. The Chrasmologic Writings are the major religious work of the Vironese religion, and of other cities in the Whorl as well.\"\n\nWolfe himself has said, \"A melange, as you say. Typhon [the tyrannical builder and chief \"god\" of the Whorl] has told some secretary to put together a sacred book that will leave him plenty of elbow room. The book is sacred to Silk, not to me.\" This reinforces that whatever religion this is, it's not a true one.\n\n---Finally, I haven't yet read AEG, but I have noticed a trend in Wolfe toward more action and dialog in his work, almost to the point where I have found it hard to follow which character is speaking in LS/SS. \n\nWhat many reviewers may not notice is that the stories themselves have become more intricate at the same time that they are more apparently slick and shallow. Reading the discussion here of AEG demonstrates that very powerfully. \n\nI doubt this derives from any laziness or interest in being popular on Wolfe's part (although he'd be silly to try to replicate or outdo TBotNS, 4 volumes he had write a 5th volume to explain). I think he is simply following what he finds interesting, reducing storytelling to its bare bones so he can have fun with it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 8\nDate: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000\nFrom: \"Son of Witz\" \nSubject: Re: (urth) New interview" } ] }, { "message_id": "<272706220901071018l16fb6a40k495c8a132fbf4080@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-07T18:18:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7", "in_reply_to": "<4964F02A.4080408@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In my native Texan drawl, I say them \"MAY-terr-uh\" and \"PAH-terr-uh,\" as in\n\"matron\" and \"pantera,\" respectively. I suppose saying it \"PAY\" like in the\nproper pronunciation of \"patron\" would be correct, but unless I'm thinking\nabout it, I'd probably pronounce patron as \"PAH-trun.\"\n\nWho's the PAH-trun saint of degenerate dialects?\n\nLane" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nNotes & comments ...\n\n---I'd pronounce them MAY-turrah and PAY-turrah, from the British MAY-ter\nand PAY-ter. The British pronounce Latin differently from Americans, so\nthere is no right or wrong. But we don't use those words---they do or did,\nin public school at least. So I'd follow them.\n\n---It's not a typo, but \"Chrasmatists,\" meaning those people who\nassembled/wrote the Chrasmologic Writings (p48, NtLS).\nI can't find a source for \"chrasmologic,\" not even my massive Webster's\nThird or even the Web, but I recall it simply means \"prophetic.\"\nSomeone once posted here, \"Probably some form (maybe dialectical) of\nchresmo- and the common suffix -logy. Khresthai is Greek for to use, to\nneed. Khrestos means useful, serviceable, good. Khresma would be a useful\nthing. Khresmos means oracle, prophet. Related words with this stem mean\ndevoted to useful knowledge and learning, and a selection of passages and\nstories from various authors compiled as an aid to learning. The\nChrasmologic Writings are the major religious work of the Vironese religion,\nand of other cities in the Whorl as well.\"\n\nWolfe himself has said, \"A melange, as you say. Typhon [the tyrannical\nbuilder and chief \"god\" of the Whorl] has told some secretary to put\ntogether a sacred book that will leave him plenty of elbow room. The book is\nsacred to Silk, not to me.\" This reinforces that whatever religion this is,\nit's not a true one.\n\n---Finally, I haven't yet read AEG, but I have noticed a trend in Wolfe\ntoward more action and dialog in his work, almost to the point where I have\nfound it hard to follow which character is speaking in LS/SS.\nWhat many reviewers may not notice is that the stories themselves have\nbecome more intricate at the same time that they are more apparently slick\nand shallow. Reading the discussion here of AEG demonstrates that very\npowerfully.\nI doubt this derives from any laziness or interest in being popular on\nWolfe's part (although he'd be silly to try to replicate or outdo TBotNS, 4\nvolumes he had write a 5th volume to explain). I think he is simply\nfollowing what he finds interesting, reducing storytelling to its bare bones\nso he can have fun with it.\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 8\nDate: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000\nFrom: \"Son of Witz\" \nSubject: Re: (urth) New interview" } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f0901071027v43e51623lcce3b0fdb6976730@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-07T18:27:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7", "in_reply_to": "<272706220901071018l16fb6a40k495c8a132fbf4080@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I say them \"MAY-terr-uh\" and \"PAH-terr-uh\" too. \"Maytera\" must be\npronounced like \"matriarchy,\" but it seems to me that \"patera\" can be\nacceptably pronounced like American church or schoolboy Latin \"PAH-ter\nnoster, qui es in caelis...\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/7/09, Lane Haygood wrote:\nIn my native Texan drawl, I say them \"MAY-terr-uh\" and \"PAH-terr-uh,\" as in\n\"matron\" and \"pantera,\" respectively. I suppose saying it \"PAY\" like in the\nproper pronunciation of \"patron\" would be correct, but unless I'm thinking\nabout it, I'd probably pronounce patron as \"PAH-trun.\"\n\nWho's the PAH-trun saint of degenerate dialects?\n\nLane\n\n\nOn Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Stockhoff \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Notes & comments ...\n\n---I'd pronounce them MAY-turrah and PAY-turrah, from the British MAY-ter\nand PAY-ter. The British pronounce Latin differently from Americans, so\nthere is no right or wrong. But we don't use those words---they do or did,\nin public school at least. So I'd follow them.\n\n---It's not a typo, but \"Chrasmatists,\" meaning those people who\nassembled/wrote the Chrasmologic Writings (p48, NtLS).\nI can't find a source for \"chrasmologic,\" not even my massive Webster's\nThird or even the Web, but I recall it simply means \"prophetic.\"\nSomeone once posted here, \"Probably some form (maybe dialectical) of\nchresmo- and the common suffix -logy. Khresthai is Greek for to use, to\nneed. Khrestos means useful, serviceable, good. Khresma would be a useful\nthing. Khresmos means oracle, prophet. Related words with this stem mean\ndevoted to useful knowledge and learning, and a selection of passages and\nstories from various authors compiled as an aid to learning. The\nChrasmologic Writings are the major religious work of the Vironese religion,\nand of other cities in the Whorl as well.\"\n\nWolfe himself has said, \"A melange, as you say. Typhon [the tyrannical\nbuilder and chief \"god\" of the Whorl] has told some secretary to put\ntogether a sacred book that will leave him plenty of elbow room. The book is\nsacred to Silk, not to me.\" This reinforces that whatever religion this is,\nit's not a true one.\n\n---Finally, I haven't yet read AEG, but I have noticed a trend in Wolfe\ntoward more action and dialog in his work, almost to the point where I have\nfound it hard to follow which character is speaking in LS/SS.\nWhat many reviewers may not notice is that the stories themselves have\nbecome more intricate at the same time that they are more apparently slick\nand shallow. Reading the discussion here of AEG demonstrates that very\npowerfully.\nI doubt this derives from any laziness or interest in being popular on\nWolfe's part (although he'd be silly to try to replicate or outdo TBotNS, 4\nvolumes he had write a 5th volume to explain). I think he is simply\nfollowing what he finds interesting, reducing storytelling to its bare bones\nso he can have fun with it.\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 8\nDate: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000\nFrom: \"Son of Witz\" \nSubject: Re: (urth) New interview" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-01-07T18:37:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f0901071027v43e51623lcce3b0fdb6976730@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Fair enough about the British,\nbut about the typo, I meant that at one point he mentions \"Charismatic Writings\"(p 20 in Lake, or p290 in Litany) and at every other point he mentions \"Chrasmalogical Writings\"\nI understand that the Chrasmatists did the writings.\nI'm sure you're on to something with Khreshma / Khreshmos. I wasn't able to find anything with the \"CH\" either.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: David Stockhoff [mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net]\nSent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 10:10 AM\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7\n\nNotes & comments ...\n\n---I'd pronounce them MAY-turrah and PAY-turrah, from the British MAY-ter and PAY-ter. The British pronounce Latin differently from Americans, so there is no right or wrong. But we don't use those words---they do or did, in public school at least. So I'd follow them." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "---It's not a typo, but \"Chrasmatists,\" meaning those people who assembled/wrote the Chrasmologic Writings (p48, NtLS). \n\nI can't find a source for \"chrasmologic,\" not even my massive Webster's Third or even the Web, but I recall it simply means \"prophetic.\" \n\nSomeone once posted here, \"Probably some form (maybe dialectical) of chresmo- and the common suffix -logy. Khresthai is Greek for to use, to need. Khrestos means useful, serviceable, good. Khresma would be a useful thing. Khresmos means oracle, prophet. Related words with this stem mean devoted to useful knowledge and learning, and a selection of passages and stories from various authors compiled as an aid to learning. The Chrasmologic Writings are the major religious work of the Vironese religion, and of other cities in the Whorl as well.\"\n\nWolfe himself has said, \"A melange, as you say. Typhon [the tyrannical builder and chief \"god\" of the Whorl] has told some secretary to put together a sacred book that will leave him plenty of elbow room. The book is sacred to Silk, not to me.\" This reinforces that whatever religion this is, it's not a true one.\n\n---Finally, I haven't yet read AEG, but I have noticed a trend in Wolfe toward more action and dialog in his work, almost to the point where I have found it hard to follow which character is speaking in LS/SS. \n\nWhat many reviewers may not notice is that the stories themselves have become more intricate at the same time that they are more apparently slick and shallow. Reading the discussion here of AEG demonstrates that very powerfully. \n\nI doubt this derives from any laziness or interest in being popular on Wolfe's part (although he'd be silly to try to replicate or outdo TBotNS, 4 volumes he had write a 5th volume to explain). I think he is simply following what he finds interesting, reducing storytelling to its bare bones so he can have fun with it.\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 8\nDate: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000\nFrom: \"Son of Witz\" \nSubject: Re: (urth) New interview" } ] } ] }