Chrasmologic

------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:37:31 +0000 From: "Son of Witz" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> Subject: Re: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7 To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <W530981019487831231353451 at webmail25> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fair enough about the British, but about the typo, I meant that at one point he mentions "Charismatic Writings"(p 20 in Lake, or p290 in Litany) and at every other point he mentions "Chrasmalogical Writings" I understand that the Chrasmatists did the writings. I'm sure you're on to something with Khreshma / Khreshmos. I wasn't able to find anything with the "CH" either. ~witz

-----Original Message----- From: David Stockhoff [mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 02:56 PM To: urth at lists.urth.net Subject: (urth) Chrasmologic You're right, Charismatic occurs in Lake. Usually it's "Chrasmologic." Blame the proofreader. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:37:31 +0000 From: "Son of Witz" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> Subject: Re: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7 To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <W530981019487831231353451 at webmail25> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fair enough about the British, but about the typo, I meant that at one point he mentions "Charismatic Writings"(p 20 in Lake, or p290 in Litany) and at every other point he mentions "Chrasmalogical Writings" I understand that the Chrasmatists did the writings. I'm sure you're on to something with Khreshma / Khreshmos. I wasn't able to find anything with the "CH" either. ~witz --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090107-0, 01/07/2009 Tested on: 1/7/2009 5:56:46 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Son of Witz wrote: Proofreader. Not a job for me. As a designer, I'm thrilled one of my colleagues is a UCSB Valedictorian. I give her everything, even my weirdo album projects. I considered for a brief second doing a proofreading of those pdfs. no fuckin way. Since it's OCR, the punctuation is the most problematic, and one of the harder things to proofread since we tend to read punctuation subliminally. While I was writing about laughs in Long Sun, I forgot to mention Oreb. loving that damn bird. Do you pronounce Chough as "Chuff" "Choff" "Coff" "Cuff"???? I live right near a huge park and we've got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. ~wtiz

-----Original Message----- From: Gwern Branwen [mailto:gwern0 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 03:28 PM To: 'The Urth Mailing List' Subject: Re: (urth) Chrasmologic -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Son of Witz wrote:

Proofreader. Not a job for me. As a designer, I'm thrilled one of my colleagues is a UCSB Valedictorian. I give her everything, even my weirdo album projects. I considered for a brief second doing a proofreading of those pdfs. no fuckin way. Since it's OCR, the punctuation is the most problematic, and one of the harder things to proofread since we tend to read punctuation subliminally. While I was writing about laughs in Long Sun, I forgot to mention Oreb. loving that damn bird. Do you pronounce Chough as "Chuff" "Choff" "Coff" "Cuff"???? I live right near a huge park and we've got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. ~wtiz

Personally, talking ravens make me think more of Edgar Alan Poe than Shakespeare. - -- gwern

Son of Witz wrote: Proofreader. Not a job for me. As a designer, I'm thrilled one of my colleagues is a UCSB Valedictorian. I give her everything, even my weirdo album projects. I considered for a brief second doing a proofreading of those pdfs. no fuckin way. Since it's OCR, the punctuation is the most problematic, and one of the harder things to proofread since we tend to read punctuation subliminally. While I was writing about laughs in Long Sun, I forgot to mention Oreb. loving that damn bird. Do you pronounce Chough as "Chuff" "Choff" "Coff" "Cuff"???? I live right near a huge park and we've got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. ~wtiz

On Jan 7, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Allan Anderson wrote: Son of Witz wrote:

Proofreader. Not a job for me. As a designer, I'm thrilled one of my colleagues is a UCSB Valedictorian. I give her everything, even my weirdo album projects. I considered for a brief second doing a proofreading of those pdfs. no fuckin way. Since it's OCR, the punctuation is the most problematic, and one of the harder things to proofread since we tend to read punctuation subliminally. While I was writing about laughs in Long Sun, I forgot to mention Oreb. loving that damn bird. Do you pronounce Chough as "Chuff" "Choff" "Coff" "Cuff"???? I live right near a huge park and we've got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. ~wtiz

Makes me think of the ravens in The Hobbit, and the few Dwarves and Dalemen who remembered the ravenspeak. I guess it goes back to Odin's Hugin and Munin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugin_and_Munin -- I fear for Thought, but more for Memory. I saw some serious-looking big black birds at Alamo Square last month. Maybe these were some of your friends.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote: Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over there by the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, forgotten ghost town of a park, no one there but joggers, dog walkers, and ghosts. But SF has seen the Raven population more or less dominate the crows which used to be more prevalent. They're as big as cats. I remember a story about 10 years ago where a woman walking her little dog to Ocean Beach had a murder of ravens attack her dog to death while crossing the dunes. If I remember right they actually lifted it off the ground. (wait, wikiP says it's "an unkindness of Ravens". an "unkindness" ? sounds way too polite.) ~witz

Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over there by the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, forgotten ghost town of a park

On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Matthew Keeley wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org wrote:

Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over there by the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, forgotten ghost town of a park, no one there but joggers, dog walkers, and ghosts. But SF has seen the Raven population more or less dominate the crows which used to be more prevalent. They're as big as cats. I remember a story about 10 years ago where a woman walking her little dog to Ocean Beach had a murder of ravens attack her dog to death while crossing the dunes. If I remember right they actually lifted it off the ground. (wait, wikiP says it's "an unkindness of Ravens". an "unkindness" ? sounds way too polite.) ~witz

I believe it's an unkindness of ravens and a murder of crows. I don't know if there's any special name for a group of choughs. -Matt

From: Tim Walters <walters at doubtfulpalace.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Chrasmologic To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 5:40 PM Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over there by the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, forgotten ghost town of a park

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On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tim Walters wrote: You should come down to my local green/art spot, the amazing and little-known Cayuga Park/Playground, not far away from you: http://sanfrancisco.about.com/od/sfparks/ig/Cayuga-Park/ Bring the kid, he'll love it.

On Jan 7, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote: Charlotte had her socer game s@ mcCalren last year..isn't that near the golf course where people are robbed and killed I love SF

On Jan 7, 2009, at 7:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote: The Bible (along with The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories and a good dictionary) is all you'll ever really need to understand Wolfe: Oreb But Silk's Oreb is also clearly the Odin-like familiar of a witch, god, or prophet. Shakespeare referenced ravens in this sense:

On Jan 7, 2009, at 7:01 PM, David Stockhoff wrote: I propose a "hacking" of choughs. Or a "wheezing"?

On Jan 7, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Allan Anderson wrote:

Makes me think of the ravens in The Hobbit, and the few Dwarves and Dalemen who remembered the ravenspeak

On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tim Walters wrote: You should come down to my local green/art spot, the amazing and little-known Cayuga Park/Playground, not far away from you: http://sanfrancisco.about.com/od/sfparks/ig/Cayuga-Park/ Bring the kid, he'll love it. -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com