# Chrasmologic *The Urth list — 13 messages, 7 voices, 07 Jan 2009* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### David Stockhoff *07 Jan 2009, 22:56* You're right, Charismatic occurs in Lake. Usually it's "Chrasmologic." Blame the proofreader. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:37:31 +0000 > From: "Son of Witz" > Subject: Re: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7 > To: "The Urth Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Fair enough about the British, > but about the typo, I meant that at one point he mentions "Charismatic Writings"(p 20 in Lake, or p290 in Litany) and at every other point he mentions "Chrasmalogical Writings" > I understand that the Chrasmatists did the writings. > I'm sure you're on to something with Khreshma / Khreshmos. I wasn't able to find anything with the "CH" either. > > ~witz --- ### Son of Witz *07 Jan 2009, 23:17 · follows David Stockhoff* Proofreader. Not a job for me. As a designer, I'm thrilled one of my colleagues is a UCSB Valedictorian. I give her everything, even my weirdo album projects. I considered for a brief second doing a proofreading of those pdfs. no fuckin way. Since it's OCR, the punctuation is the most problematic, and one of the harder things to proofread since we tend to read punctuation subliminally. While I was writing about laughs in Long Sun, I forgot to mention Oreb. loving that damn bird. Do you pronounce Chough as "Chuff" "Choff" "Coff" "Cuff"???? I live right near a huge park and we've got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. ~wtiz > -----Original Message----- > From: David Stockhoff [mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 02:56 PM > To: urth at lists.urth.net > Subject: (urth) Chrasmologic > > You're right, Charismatic occurs in Lake. Usually it's "Chrasmologic." Blame the proofreader. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:37:31 +0000 > From: "Son of Witz" > Subject: Re: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7 > To: "The Urth Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Fair enough about the British, > but about the typo, I meant that at one point he mentions "Charismatic Writings"(p 20 in Lake, or p290 in Litany) and at every other point he mentions "Chrasmalogical Writings" > I understand that the Chrasmatists did the writings. > I'm sure you're on to something with Khreshma / Khreshmos. I wasn't able to find anything with the "CH" either. > > ~witz > > > > --- > avast! 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I live right near a huge park and we've got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. > > ~wtiz Personally, talking ravens make me think more of Edgar Alan Poe than Shakespeare. - -- gwern -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREKAAYFAkllOrIACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oK8ngCeNfeQrxNEl8/A8zsK9uFo4ztX iAcAnjTxHqMcC9sPaIV3pf6M4gX0Jz2a =Qz1W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- ### Son of Witz *07 Jan 2009, 23:40 · follows Gwern Branwen* > -----Original Message----- > From: Gwern Branwen [mailto:gwern0 at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 03:28 PM > To: 'The Urth Mailing List' > Subject: Re: (urth) Chrasmologic > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Son of Witz wrote: >> Proofreader. >> Not a job for me. As a designer, I'm thrilled one of my colleagues is a UCSB Valedictorian. I give her everything, even my weirdo album projects. >> I considered for a brief second doing a proofreading of those pdfs. no fuckin way. Since it's OCR, the punctuation is the most problematic, and one of the harder things to proofread since we tend to read punctuation subliminally. >> >> While I was writing about laughs in Long Sun, I forgot to mention Oreb. loving that damn bird. Do you pronounce Chough as "Chuff" "Choff" "Coff" "Cuff"???? I live right near a huge park and we've got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. >> >> ~wtiz > Personally, talking ravens make me think more of Edgar Alan Poe than > Shakespeare. > > - -- > gwern Caw. Nevermore. --- ### Allan Anderson *08 Jan 2009, 00:30 · in reply to Son of Witz* > Son of Witz wrote: > Proofreader. > Not a job for me. As a designer, I'm thrilled one of my colleagues is a UCSB Valedictorian. I give her everything, even my weirdo album projects. > I considered for a brief second doing a proofreading of those pdfs. no fuckin way. Since it's OCR, the punctuation is the most problematic, and one of the harder things to proofread since we tend to read punctuation subliminally. > > While I was writing about laughs in Long Sun, I forgot to mention Oreb. loving that damn bird. Do you pronounce Chough as "Chuff" "Choff" "Coff" "Cuff"???? I live right near a huge park and we've got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. > > ~wtiz > > Makes me think of the ravens in The Hobbit, and the few Dwarves and Dalemen who remembered the ravenspeak. I guess it goes back to Odin's Hugin and Munin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugin_and_Munin -- I fear for Thought, but more for Memory. I saw some serious-looking big black birds at Alamo Square last month. Maybe these were some of your friends. --- ### Son of Witz *08 Jan 2009, 01:15 · in reply to Allan Anderson* > On Jan 7, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Allan Anderson wrote: > Son of Witz wrote: >> Proofreader. >> Not a job for me. As a designer, I'm thrilled one of my colleagues >> is a UCSB Valedictorian. I give her everything, even my weirdo >> album projects. >> I considered for a brief second doing a proofreading of those pdfs. >> no fuckin way. Since it's OCR, the punctuation is the most >> problematic, and one of the harder things to proofread since we >> tend to read punctuation subliminally. >> >> While I was writing about laughs in Long Sun, I forgot to mention >> Oreb. loving that damn bird. Do you pronounce Chough as "Chuff" >> "Choff" "Coff" "Cuff"???? I live right near a huge park and we've >> got fat ravens and crows all over the neighborhood. My son and I >> have seen them catching rats and scarfing down on our neighbors' >> roofs. I love their obnoxious cackles. If I could have a talking >> raven, I would. Fuck a parrot. This is a Shakespeare allusion, no? >> talking ravens? I remember that from somewhere. >> >> ~wtiz > Makes me think of the ravens in The Hobbit, and the few Dwarves and > Dalemen who remembered the ravenspeak. > > I guess it goes back to Odin's Hugin and Munin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugin_and_Munin > -- I fear for Thought, but more for Memory. > > I saw some serious-looking big black birds at Alamo Square last > month. Maybe these were some of your friends. Thanks for Hugin and Munin. I hadn't met them yet. Odin could handle thoughtlessness but not forgetfulness, I guess. I don't remember that in the Hobbit. Slowly making my way through it with my son. I'll watch for that. Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over there by the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, forgotten ghost town of a park, no one there but joggers, dog walkers, and ghosts. But SF has seen the Raven population more or less dominate the crows which used to be more prevalent. They're as big as cats. I remember a story about 10 years ago where a woman walking her little dog to Ocean Beach had a murder of ravens attack her dog to death while crossing the dunes. If I remember right they actually lifted it off the ground. (wait, wikiP says it's "an unkindness of Ravens". an "unkindness" ? sounds way too polite.) ~witz --- ### Matthew Keeley *08 Jan 2009, 01:40 · in reply to Son of Witz* > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Son of Witz wrote: > Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over there by > the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, forgotten ghost > town of a park, no one there but joggers, dog walkers, and ghosts. But SF > has seen the Raven population more or less dominate the crows which used to > be more prevalent. They're as big as cats. I remember a story about 10 > years ago where a woman walking her little dog to Ocean Beach had a murder > of ravens attack her dog to death while crossing the dunes. If I remember > right they actually lifted it off the ground. (wait, wikiP says it's "an > unkindness of Ravens". an "unkindness" ? sounds way too polite.) > > ~witz I believe it's an unkindness of ravens and a murder of crows. I don't know if there's any special name for a group of choughs. -Matt --- ### Tim Walters *08 Jan 2009, 01:40 · in reply to Son of Witz* > Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over > there by the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, > forgotten ghost town of a park You should come down to my local green/art spot, the amazing and little-known Cayuga Park/Playground, not far away from you: http://sanfrancisco.about.com/od/sfparks/ig/Cayuga-Park/ Bring the kid, he'll love it. ``` Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ``` --- ### Son of Witz *08 Jan 2009, 01:59 · in reply to Matthew Keeley* > On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Matthew Keeley wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Son of Witz wrote: >> Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over >> there by >> the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, forgotten >> ghost >> town of a park, no one there but joggers, dog walkers, and ghosts. >> But SF >> has seen the Raven population more or less dominate the crows which >> used to >> be more prevalent. They're as big as cats. I remember a story >> about 10 >> years ago where a woman walking her little dog to Ocean Beach had a >> murder >> of ravens attack her dog to death while crossing the dunes. If I >> remember >> right they actually lifted it off the ground. (wait, wikiP says >> it's "an >> unkindness of Ravens". an "unkindness" ? sounds way too polite.) >> >> ~witz > I believe it's an unkindness of ravens and a murder of crows. I don't > know if there's any special name for a group of choughs. > > -Matt now you done made me look it up. "A clattering of choughs" "Clattering" is much better than "unkindness", IMHO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collective_nouns_for_birds ~witz --- ### Stuart Hamm *08 Jan 2009, 02:30 · in reply to Tim Walters* Charlotte had her socer game s@ mcCalren last year..isn't that near the golf course where people are robbed and killed I love SF ???? Mobile — (415) 786-3624 ???? Skype? stuart.hamm myspace.com/stuhamm ? ??? stuarthamm.net --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Tim Walters wrote: > From: Tim Walters > Subject: Re: (urth) Chrasmologic > To: "The Urth Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 5:40 PM > Alamo Square? I wish that was the park I lived by. I like it over > there by the Painted Ladies. I'm next to John McClaren, the huge, > forgotten ghost town of a park You should come down to my local green/art spot, the amazing and little-known Cayuga Park/Playground, not far away from you: http://sanfrancisco.about.com/od/sfparks/ig/Cayuga-Park/ Bring the kid, he'll love it. ``` Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ``` --- ### David Stockhoff *08 Jan 2009, 03:24 · follows Stuart Hamm* The Bible (along with The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories and a good dictionary) is all you'll ever really need to understand Wolfe: Oreb Meaning: raven [from Hebrew "black"] a prince of Midian , who, being defeated by Gideon and put to straits, was slain along with Zeeb (Judg. 7:20-25 ) Many of the Midianites perished along with him (Ps. 83:9 ; Isa. 10:26 ). But Silk's Oreb is also clearly the Odin-like familiar of a witch, god, or prophet. Shakespeare referenced ravens in this sense: "But the most frequent reference made by Shakespeare to this bird has regard to its supposed boding power. It is called the “fatal raven” [/Titus Andronicus — II, 3/]. A messenger of ill news is said to “sing a raven’s note” [/2nd Henry VI — III, 2/]." Choughs are native to the Old World and very different from ravens, however. See Wiki for a photo. > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:17:38 +0000 > From: "Son of Witz" > Subject: Re: (urth) Chrasmologic --- ### Son of Witz *08 Jan 2009, 05:37 · in reply to Tim Walters* > On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tim Walters wrote: > You should come down to my local green/art spot, the amazing and > little-known Cayuga Park/Playground, not far away from you: > > http://sanfrancisco.about.com/od/sfparks/ig/Cayuga-Park/ > > Bring the kid, he'll love it. Oh, that looks cool. dig the sculptures. definitely going to check that out. thanks for pointing it out. > On Jan 7, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote: > Charlotte had her socer game s@ mcCalren last year..isn't that near > the golf course where people are robbed and killed > > I love SF I don't know about the golf course (the sort of things I loathe) but yeah, it's a bit crazy over here. I'm about 8 blocks from where the Bologna family was slaughtered in their car last year. It was up in the neighborhood. Good neighborhood for fireworks though! all sorts of expensive illegal stuff shooting off on any day that could possibly warrant fireworks. > On Jan 7, 2009, at 7:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote: > The Bible (along with The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories > and a good dictionary) is all you'll ever really need to understand > Wolfe: > > > Oreb > > But Silk's Oreb is also clearly the Odin-like familiar of a witch, > god, or prophet. Shakespeare referenced ravens in this sense: yeah, those and Wikipedia. ;-) not having read the whole thing, I sense you're right about familiar vs harbinger. > On Jan 7, 2009, at 7:01 PM, David Stockhoff wrote: > I propose a "hacking" of choughs. Or a "wheezing"? Nice work there David. >> On Jan 7, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Allan Anderson wrote: > Makes me think of the ravens in The Hobbit, and the few Dwarves and > Dalemen who remembered the ravenspeak oddly enough, that's the part I just finished reading my son moments ago (nighty night) , but it turns out that it's a Thrush, not a raven that they know the tongues of, mentioned after Bilbo's scorching near escape, a thrush is listening to his tale before Smaug comes and smotes the mountain, sealing them in. As I read it, I made an aside, saying "that came up today", and my son, the sharp little sprat said "yeah, when Perseus talked with the robot owl." We'd been watching Clash of the Titans earlier, his first time. when he said "yeah," I was wondering what the hell he was gonna say. the aptness surprised me. kids have memories like steel traps compared to my addled noodle. nighty night. ~witz --- ### Son of Witz *11 Jan 2009, 19:18 · in reply to Tim Walters* Hey Tim, thanks for the Cayuga Park tip-off. what a cool place. had a nice walk and a picnic and some playground time. really cool sculptures. Lot's of love in that place. cheers, ~witz > On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Tim Walters wrote: > > You should come down to my local green/art spot, the amazing and > little-known Cayuga Park/Playground, not far away from you: > > http://sanfrancisco.about.com/od/sfparks/ig/Cayuga-Park/ > > Bring the kid, he'll love it. > > -- > Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ---