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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5310, "subject": "Fantasy Casting Thread", "messages": 30, "voices": 12, "first": "2009-01-15T00:29:00+00:00", "last": "2009-01-16T23:54:33+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<1f7617370901141629t60a20606s464c35241ad738cf@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T00:29:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Matthew Groves\n wrote:\nOn Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "on that note, maybe we should start a \"fantasy casting\" thread.\nI've been casting actors from all ages into the roles of BotNS. Since my\nmotives are for illustrations and not a movie (*shudder*) I've been casting\nfrom any era. I'd be interested in what others would think, though it\nshould be it's own thread I suppose. As a teaser, I'll say I like a young\nSigourney Weaver as Thecla and an OLD Clint Eastwood as Malrubius." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "What fun! A young Keanu Reeves for Severian?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Keanu Reeves isn't sympathetic enough to play a torturer. No, really.\n\nSilk: A young Robert Redford\nMarble and Mint: CGI with unknowns as voiceovers\nCrane: Geoffrey Rush - don't laugh, look at him as Trotsky in \"Frida\"\nBlood: Alfred Molina\n\nSeverian: is really hard to cast. Viggo Mortensen might almost work but\n not quite. Maybe Mandy Patinken ca. \"Princess Bride\"?\nJolenta: Selma Hayek\nDorcas: Anne Hathaway, but a bit older\nDr. Talos: Jonathan Frid\nBaldanders: another hard one; a body builder of some sort, magicked\n even larger by the wonders of SFX. But not Ahnold.\nJonas: Bruce Boxleitner\n\nSomeone else take over here." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a\nrestaurant and, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand\nIsland Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T00:39:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370901141629t60a20606s464c35241ad738cf@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nOn Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Matthew Groves\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "on that note, maybe we should start a \"fantasy casting\" thread.\nI've been casting actors from all ages into the roles of BotNS. Since my\nmotives are for illustrations and not a movie (*shudder*) I've been casting\nfrom any era. I'd be interested in what others would think, though it\nshould be it's own thread I suppose. As a teaser, I'll say I like a young\nSigourney Weaver as Thecla and an OLD Clint Eastwood as Malrubius." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "What fun! A young Keanu Reeves for Severian?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Keanu Reeves isn't sympathetic enough to play a torturer. No, really.\n\nSilk: A young Robert Redford\nMarble and Mint: CGI with unknowns as voiceovers\nCrane: Geoffrey Rush - don't laugh, look at him as Trotsky in \"Frida\"\nBlood: Alfred Molina\n\nSeverian: is really hard to cast. Viggo Mortensen might almost work but\n not quite. Maybe Mandy Patinken ca. \"Princess Bride\"?\nJolenta: Selma Hayek\nDorcas: Anne Hathaway, but a bit older\nDr. Talos: Jonathan Frid\nBaldanders: another hard one; a body builder of some sort, magicked\n even larger by the wonders of SFX. But not Ahnold.\nJonas: Bruce Boxleitner\n\nSomeone else take over here." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "For Baldanders, I can't help but think Marlon Brando (with SFX);\nperhaps _Apocalypse Now_ era Brando.\n\n- --\ngwern\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAkluhaMACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oIHqQCeLz1Csqwj7i+OTu9xEm4Et4y/\nVwkAnR4KzLlrNVxCx2J7PlU6TcHlMvkW\n=sn0N\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Crossley", "address": "ishmael at drizzle.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T00:41:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370901141629t60a20606s464c35241ad738cf@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/14/09 4:29 PM, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" wrote:\n\nKeanu Reeves isn't sympathetic enough to play a torturer. No, really.\n\nSilk: A young Robert Redford\nMarble and Mint: CGI with unknowns as voiceovers\nCrane: Geoffrey Rush - don't laugh, look at him as Trotsky in \"Frida\"\nBlood: Alfred Molina\n\nSeverian: is really hard to cast. Viggo Mortensen might almost work but\n not quite. Maybe Mandy Patinken ca. \"Princess Bride\"?\nJolenta: Selma Hayek\nDorcas: Anne Hathaway, but a bit older\nDr. Talos: Jonathan Frid\nBaldanders: another hard one; a body builder of some sort, magicked\n even larger by the wonders of SFX. But not Ahnold.\nJonas: Bruce Boxleitner\n\nSomeone else take over here." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Arguing over imaginary casting choices for minor literary characters is\nprobably as trivial as a conversation can be, but I'm surprised to find how\nstrongly I feel that your Dorcas choice is hopelessly wrong. I'm thinking\nSamantha Morton.\n\nJames" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-01-15T00:50:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "on that note, maybe we should start a \"fantasy casting\" thread.\nI've been casting actors from all ages into the roles of BotNS. Since my\nmotives are for illustrations and not a movie (*shudder*) I've been casting\nfrom any era. I'd be interested in what others would think, though it\nshould be it's own thread I suppose. As a teaser, I'll say I like a young\nSigourney Weaver as Thecla and an OLD Clint Eastwood as Malrubius." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "What fun! A young Keanu Reeves for Severian?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Keanu Reeves isn't sympathetic enough to play a torturer. No, really.\n\nSilk: A young Robert Redford\nMarble and Mint: CGI with unknowns as voiceovers\nCrane: Geoffrey Rush - don't laugh, look at him as Trotsky in \"Frida\"\nBlood: Alfred Molina\n\nSeverian: is really hard to cast. Viggo Mortensen might almost work but\n not quite. Maybe Mandy Patinken ca. \"Princess Bride\"?\nJolenta: Selma Hayek\nDorcas: Anne Hathaway, but a bit older\nDr. Talos: Jonathan Frid\nBaldanders: another hard one; a body builder of some sort, magicked\n even larger by the wonders of SFX. But not Ahnold.\nJonas: Bruce Boxleitner\n\nSomeone else take over here.\n-- \nDan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jonathin Frid is a good suggestion for Talos, as well as young Redford for Silk.\n\n\nCurrently I have:\nSeverian: Christian Bale \nPalaemon: Max von Sydow\nMalrubius: Clint Eastwood (Gran Torino age)\nHethor: John Malkovich (Brad Douriff would be another choice, if obvious)\nVodalus: A younger Terrence Stamp\nDorcas: young Judy Bowker\nAgia: Nicole Kidman\nCyriaca: middle aged Susan Sarandon\n\n~witz" } ] }, { "message_id": "<496E8D01.2060403@hyraxes.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Lebling", "address": "dlebling at hyraxes.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T01:10:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The late Erland van Lidth de Jeude would have been a perfect Baldanders. \nHe actually played a naviscaput in \"Time Bandits,\" and we all know \nthat's how Baldanders would have ended up in time.\n\nMarilyn Monroe was the only person who could have played Jolenta. I \nthink Wolfe said explicitly that she \"was\" Jolenta.\n\nThe young Natalie Wood would have been perfect for Dorcas. Anne Hathaway \nisn't such a bad choice among contemporary actors though.\n\n-- Dave Lebling, aka vizcacha" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "James Crossley wrote:\nOn 1/14/09 4:29 PM, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" wrote:\n\n\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Keanu Reeves isn't sympathetic enough to play a torturer. No, really.\n\nSilk: A young Robert Redford\nMarble and Mint: CGI with unknowns as voiceovers\nCrane: Geoffrey Rush - don't laugh, look at him as Trotsky in \"Frida\"\nBlood: Alfred Molina\n\nSeverian: is really hard to cast. Viggo Mortensen might almost work but\n not quite. Maybe Mandy Patinken ca. \"Princess Bride\"?\nJolenta: Selma Hayek\nDorcas: Anne Hathaway, but a bit older\nDr. Talos: Jonathan Frid\nBaldanders: another hard one; a body builder of some sort, magicked\n even larger by the wonders of SFX. But not Ahnold.\nJonas: Bruce Boxleitner\n\nSomeone else take over here.\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Arguing over imaginary casting choices for minor literary characters is\nprobably as trivial as a conversation can be, but I'm surprised to find how\nstrongly I feel that your Dorcas choice is hopelessly wrong. I'm thinking\nSamantha Morton.\n\nJames\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<497997980-1231981913-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-890735292-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-01-15T01:11:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<496E8D01.2060403@hyraxes.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And what's his name who played Sam Gamgee and Rudy as Horn..or hoof or hyde..?\n------Original Message------\nFrom: Son of Witz\nSender: urth-bounces at lists.urth.net\nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nReplyTo: The Urth Mailing List" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Sent: Jan 14, 2009 4:50 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Fantasy Casting Thread\non that note, maybe we should start a \"fantasy casting\" thread.\nI've been casting actors from all ages into the roles of BotNS. Since my\nmotives are for illustrations and not a movie (*shudder*) I've been casting\nfrom any era. I'd be interested in what others would think, though it\nshould be it's own thread I suppose. As a teaser, I'll say I like a young\nSigourney Weaver as Thecla and an OLD Clint Eastwood as Malrubius." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "What fun! A young Keanu Reeves for Severian?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Keanu Reeves isn't sympathetic enough to play a torturer. No, really.\n\nSilk: A young Robert Redford\nMarble and Mint: CGI with unknowns as voiceovers\nCrane: Geoffrey Rush - don't laugh, look at him as Trotsky in \"Frida\"\nBlood: Alfred Molina\n\nSeverian: is really hard to cast. Viggo Mortensen might almost work but\n not quite. Maybe Mandy Patinken ca. \"Princess Bride\"?\nJolenta: Selma Hayek\nDorcas: Anne Hathaway, but a bit older\nDr. Talos: Jonathan Frid\nBaldanders: another hard one; a body builder of some sort, magicked\n even larger by the wonders of SFX. But not Ahnold.\nJonas: Bruce Boxleitner\n\nSomeone else take over here.\n-- \nDan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jonathin Frid is a good suggestion for Talos, as well as young Redford for Silk.\n\n\nCurrently I have:\nSeverian: Christian Bale \nPalaemon: Max von Sydow\nMalrubius: Clint Eastwood (Gran Torino age)\nHethor: John Malkovich (Brad Douriff would be another choice, if obvious)\nVodalus: A younger Terrence Stamp\nDorcas: young Judy Bowker\nAgia: Nicole Kidman\nCyriaca: middle aged Susan Sarandon\n\n~witz" } ] }, { "message_id": "<591753.217.qm@web180010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "John Smith", "address": "jsmith2627 at att.net" }, "date": "2009-01-15T01:22:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Son of Witz wrote:\nFrom: Son of Witz \nSubject: Re: (urth) Fantasy Casting Thread\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:50 PM\non that note, maybe we should start a\n\"fantasy casting\" thread." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I've been casting actors from all ages\ninto the roles of BotNS. Since my\nmotives are for illustrations and not a movie\n(*shudder*) I've been casting\nfrom any era. I'd be interested in what\nothers would think, though it\nshould be it's own thread I suppose. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Character\t Actor\n=========== =======\nSeverian\t Johnny Depp\nThecla\t Brooke Shields\nVodalus \t Warren Beatty\nThea \t Liv Tyler\nBaldanders\t John Goodman\nDr. Talos\t Woody Allen\nAgia\t Christina Ricci\nDorcas\t Mary-kate Olsen\nJolenta\t Pamela Anderson\nHethor\t Christopher Walken\nMaster Gurloes Gene Hackman\nMaster Palemon\t Clint Eastwood\nMaster Malrubius Alec Guinness\nThe Autarch\t Leslie Jordan\nJonas \t Steven Wright \nJuturna\t Rosie O'Donnell\nAbaia\t Rush Limbaugh\n\n\nReasons for some of the lesser-known actors:\n\n1. Christina Ricci played Wednesday Addams in the Addams Family movies. For her ability to play Agia, I submit \"The Opposite of Sex\" and \"Black Snake Moan.\"\n\n2. Leslie Jordan had the role of Beverley Leslie, a small effeminate man, on the show \"Will and Grace.\" He looked exactly like how I had pictured the Autarch in my mind.\n\n3. Stephen Wright is a comedian with a dead-pan delivery.\n\n\n\nBest wishes,\n\nJack" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<935BFBAF-EC51-4FB3-85E3-3D658F5EAF25@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T02:12:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\n\nFor Baldanders, I can't help but think Marlon Brando (with SFX);\nperhaps _Apocalypse Now_ era Brando." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "YES YES YES.\n\nThe Autarch: John Hurt from _I, Claudius_.\n\nJolenta, post-glamour: mid-period Anna-Nicole Smith.\n\nIt's not quite right for Thecla, but totally-hot-period (e.g. _Blue \nVelvet_) Isabella Rosellini.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T02:13:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<496E8D01.2060403@hyraxes.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Dave Lebling wrote:\nMarilyn Monroe was the only person who could have played Jolenta. I \nthink Wolfe said explicitly that she \"was\" Jolenta." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I stick by my casting of Anna-Nicole Smith, as the (even-more) \nartificial Monroe.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2030321453-1232035626-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2036485243-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-01-15T16:07:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've gotta go for Pamela Anderson as Jolenta...the fakest of them all...and if Keanu Reeves is involved in ANY way I'm gonna puke..\nI'm telling you... A \"Harvey\" era Jimmy Stewart as Silk in the sequel and a young, tortured Charlton Heston as Severian\nDanny DeVito as Patera Quetzl????...or Fathher Inire???...or Billy Barty as both???\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Adam Thornton \n\nDate: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:13:11 \nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSubject: Re: (urth) Fantasy Casting Thread" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20090115164721.GB17249@broggs.org>", "from": { "name": "Jeffrey Brent McBeth", "address": "mcbeth at broggs.org" }, "date": "2009-01-15T16:47:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<2030321453-1232035626-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2036485243-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I'm telling you... A \"Harvey\" era Jimmy Stewart as Silk in the sequel and a young, tortured Charlton Heston as Severian" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I can't think of anyone that can play smarmy authority figures better\nthan Tim Curry. He may be a bit too tall though\n\nJeff" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over \n the man who cannot read them.\"\n -- Mark Twain\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20090115165406.GC17249@broggs.org>", "from": { "name": "Jeffrey Brent McBeth", "address": "mcbeth at broggs.org" }, "date": "2009-01-15T16:54:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<20090115164721.GB17249@broggs.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:47:21AM -0500, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote:\n\nI can't think of anyone that can play smarmy authority figures better\nthan Tim Curry. He may be a bit too tall though" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Err I mean Patera Quetzal, not Silk or Severian\n\nJeff" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over \n the man who cannot read them.\"\n -- Mark Twain\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------" } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f0901150901k466cee0uc03019e37b35bd39@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T17:01:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<20090115165406.GC17249@broggs.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "He might be even better as Incus." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/15/09, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote:\nOn Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:47:21AM -0500, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I can't think of anyone that can play smarmy authority figures better\nthan Tim Curry. He may be a bit too tall though" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Err I mean Patera Quetzal, not Silk or Severian\n\nJeff\n\n--\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over\n the man who cannot read them.\"\n -- Mark Twain\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niD8DBQFJb2ouXazNjIaibJERAlTTAKCPwop8+UPLjFZcNEgnfeQSQMcWwgCeIyII\ngHoaqW+BLe9DCGOojP2Y9dU=\n=njpW\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370901150905s6777480dh30535b8fc1f0b980@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T17:05:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f0901150901k466cee0uc03019e37b35bd39@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No - Rowan Atkinson for Incus." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:01 AM, John Watkins wrote:\nHe might be even better as Incus.\n\nOn 1/15/09, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:47:21AM -0500, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I can't think of anyone that can play smarmy authority figures better\nthan Tim Curry. He may be a bit too tall though" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Err I mean Patera Quetzal, not Silk or Severian\n\nJeff\n\n--\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over\n the man who cannot read them.\"\n -- Mark Twain\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niD8DBQFJb2ouXazNjIaibJERAlTTAKCPwop8+UPLjFZcNEgnfeQSQMcWwgCeIyII\ngHoaqW+BLe9DCGOojP2Y9dU=\n=njpW\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2034464575-1232040055-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1658810517-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-01-15T17:20:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370901150905s6777480dh30535b8fc1f0b980@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hehehehe\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" \n\nDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:05:38 \nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSubject: Re: (urth) Fantasy Casting Thread\n\n\nNo - Rowan Atkinson for Incus." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:01 AM, John Watkins wrote:\nHe might be even better as Incus.\n\nOn 1/15/09, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:47:21AM -0500, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I can't think of anyone that can play smarmy authority figures better\nthan Tim Curry. He may be a bit too tall though" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Err I mean Patera Quetzal, not Silk or Severian\n\nJeff\n\n--\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over\n the man who cannot read them.\"\n -- Mark Twain\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niD8DBQFJb2ouXazNjIaibJERAlTTAKCPwop8+UPLjFZcNEgnfeQSQMcWwgCeIyII\ngHoaqW+BLe9DCGOojP2Y9dU=\n=njpW\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, writer, trainer, bon vivant\n-----\nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nhttp://www.danehyoakes.com\n\nI once absend-mindedly ordered Three Mile Island dressing in a\nrestaurant and, with great presence of mind, they brought Thousand\nIsland Dressing and a bottle of chili sauce. -- T. Pratchett" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-01-15T17:38:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<2034464575-1232040055-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1658810517-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "this is fun.\n\n\nI like Rowan Atkinson for Incus.\nTim Curry would be good for Patera Ramora.\nI really like the Jimmy Stewart as Silk suggestion.\nRedford isn't bad either, though I think he's too square jawed.\nI could see Liam Neeson as well.\n\nI really like the Isabella Rosselini / Thechla suggestion.\nI read Jolenta as Marylin as well. But the Anna Nicole Smith suggestion is pretty apt, because there needs to be something annoyingly phony about Jolenta's looks. Spamela? no thanks.\n\nI don't think I would have ever thought of Depp as Severian, mostly because he's short, but his face fits the description well. thin nose, high cheekbones, deepset eyes, pointed chin with no cleft, or the barest hint. I'm still stuck on Christian Bale though, (sans BatBale voice, yuk!)\n\nJohn Hurt as Autarch? too manly. He's described as having the face of a 40 year old woman. Needs to be somebody very androgynous. I'd thought of Bowie, but he's still pretty square jawed. Lesli Jordan was a good suggestion.\nActually, an elder John Hurt looks almost exactly like I pictured Jonas.\n\na 30's-ish Brando is a good call for Baldander's face. I don't see him as fat at all though. My friend suggested that Jaws actor from Moonraker. ha.\nJordon, on the list can't help but picture Andre the Giant and Wally Shawn from Princess Bride when he reads.\n\nWarren Beatty could be a good Vodalus, true.\nRush Limbaugh as Abia, laughing out loud. good one.\nAlfred Molina as Blood would be perfect.\nI could dig Anne Hathaway as Thea.\n\nWilliam Hurt as Typhon and Mike Tyson as Piaton? :D\n\n~Witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [mailto:danldo at gmail.com]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "No - Rowan Atkinson for Incus." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I can't think of anyone that can play smarmy authority figures better\nthan Tim Curry. He may be a bit too tall though" } ] }, { "message_id": "<871576.29020.qm@web180015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "John Smith", "address": "jsmith2627 at att.net" }, "date": "2009-01-15T18:17:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jimmy Stewart would make a great Silk. Just dye his hair blond.\n\nHere are some Long Sun nominees. Imagine them at the appropriate age.\n\n\nChenille? ? ? ? ? ???? Raquel Welch \nMaytera Mint?? ??? Grace Kelly\nMaytera Marble??? Kathy Bates\nMaytera Rose? ??? Bette Davis\nCrane????????????????? Edward G. Robinson\nBlood???????????????? James Gandolfini\nMusk???????????????? Sal Mineo\nAuk??????????????????? Anthony Quinn\nHyacinth??????????? Elizabeth Taylor\nQuetzal??????????? Mr. Burns from The Simpsons\nOreb????? Heckle and/or Jeckle\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBest wishes,\n\n\n\nJack" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1916.67.142.130.22.1232043974.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-01-15T18:26:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<2030321453-1232035626-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2036485243-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Linda Hunt as Father Inire.\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've gotta go for Pamela Anderson as Jolenta...the fakest of them\nall...and if Keanu Reeves is involved in ANY way I'm gonna puke..\nI'm telling you... A \"Harvey\" era Jimmy Stewart as Silk in the sequel and\na young, tortured Charlton Heston as Severian\nDanny DeVito as Patera Quetzl????...or Fathher Inire???...or Billy Barty\nas both???\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Adam Thornton \n\nDate: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:13:11" } ] }, { "message_id": "<655553651-1232044217-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1074341194-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-01-15T18:30:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<1916.67.142.130.22.1232043974.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Shouldn't Baldanders look like a giant Super Mario on steroids???\nI know an english bloke/giant from the midlands who would foot the bill...\n------Original Message------\nFrom: Son of Witz\nSender: urth-bounces at lists.urth.net\nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nReplyTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSent: Jan 15, 2009 9:38 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Fantasy Casting Thread\n\nthis is fun.\n\n\nI like Rowan Atkinson for Incus.\nTim Curry would be good for Patera Ramora.\nI really like the Jimmy Stewart as Silk suggestion.\nRedford isn't bad either, though I think he's too square jawed.\nI could see Liam Neeson as well.\n\nI really like the Isabella Rosselini / Thechla suggestion.\nI read Jolenta as Marylin as well. But the Anna Nicole Smith suggestion is pretty apt, because there needs to be something annoyingly phony about Jolenta's looks. Spamela? no thanks.\n\nI don't think I would have ever thought of Depp as Severian, mostly because he's short, but his face fits the description well. thin nose, high cheekbones, deepset eyes, pointed chin with no cleft, or the barest hint. I'm still stuck on Christian Bale though, (sans BatBale voice, yuk!)\n\nJohn Hurt as Autarch? too manly. He's described as having the face of a 40 year old woman. Needs to be somebody very androgynous. I'd thought of Bowie, but he's still pretty square jawed. Lesli Jordan was a good suggestion.\nActually, an elder John Hurt looks almost exactly like I pictured Jonas.\n\na 30's-ish Brando is a good call for Baldander's face. I don't see him as fat at all though. My friend suggested that Jaws actor from Moonraker. ha.\nJordon, on the list can't help but picture Andre the Giant and Wally Shawn from Princess Bride when he reads.\n\nWarren Beatty could be a good Vodalus, true.\nRush Limbaugh as Abia, laughing out loud. good one.\nAlfred Molina as Blood would be perfect.\nI could dig Anne Hathaway as Thea.\n\nWilliam Hurt as Typhon and Mike Tyson as Piaton? :D\n\n~Witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [mailto:danldo at gmail.com]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "No - Rowan Atkinson for Incus." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I can't think of anyone that can play smarmy authority figures better\nthan Tim Curry. He may be a bit too tall though" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1779691409-1232044230-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1565499321-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-01-15T18:30:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<871576.29020.qm@web180015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Pretty good,pretty good...\nNot sure about Mint...I picture Anne Heche...or someone not so glamorous\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: John Smith \n\nDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:17:17 \nTo: \nSubject: Re: (urth) Fantasy Casting Thread" } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f0901151032u449735d2o7a7d64c3aac44f52@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T18:32:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<1916.67.142.130.22.1232043974.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"be-TRAYed by the GODS!\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/15/09, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nLinda Hunt as Father Inire.\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I've gotta go for Pamela Anderson as Jolenta...the fakest of them\nall...and if Keanu Reeves is involved in ANY way I'm gonna puke..\nI'm telling you... A \"Harvey\" era Jimmy Stewart as Silk in the sequel and\na young, tortured Charlton Heston as Severian\nDanny DeVito as Patera Quetzl????...or Fathher Inire???...or Billy Barty\nas both???\nSent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Adam Thornton \n\nDate: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:13:11" } ] }, { "message_id": "<0CA61536-9655-4EDA-ACCD-9DB5CEDA625D@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T18:40:09+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jan 15, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\nJohn Hurt as Autarch? too manly." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Did you see the Naked Civil Servant (in which he played Quentin \nCrisp), or (and this was the one I was thinking of) _I, Claudius_, in \nin which he played Caligula. He can *do* swishy.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370901151047m45983a29p4c110705aeebbbc8@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-15T18:47:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<0CA61536-9655-4EDA-ACCD-9DB5CEDA625D@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I got your Severian right here.\n\nHaley Joel Osmont.\n\nNo, think about it, seriously." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Adam Thornton wrote:\n\nOn Jan 15, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "John Hurt as Autarch? too manly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Did you see the Naked Civil Servant (in which he played Quentin Crisp), or\n(and this was the one I was thinking of) _I, Claudius_, in in which he\nplayed Caligula. He can *do* swishy.\n\nAdam\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-01-15T19:12:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370901151047m45983a29p4c110705aeebbbc8@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [mailto:danldo at gmail.com]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I got your Severian right here.\n\nHaley Joel Osmont.\n\nNo, think about it, seriously." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You know, I laughed, but it's not such a bad suggestion, once I found an older picture." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "John Hurt as Autarch? too manly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Did you see the Naked Civil Servant (in which he played Quentin Crisp), or\n(and this was the one I was thinking of) _I, Claudius_, in in which he\nplayed Caligula. He can *do* swishy.\n\nAdam" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I haven't seen those. probably should." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Jimmy Stewart would make a great Silk. Just dye his hair blond.\n\nHere are some Long Sun nominees. Imagine them at the appropriate age.\n\n\nChenille Raquel Welch \nMaytera Mint Grace Kelly\nMaytera Marble Kathy Bates\nMaytera Rose Bette Davis\nCrane Edward G. Robinson\nBlood James Gandolfini\nMusk Sal Mineo\nAuk Anthony Quinn\nHyacinth Elizabeth Taylor\nQuetzal Mr. Burns from The Simpsons\nOreb Heckle and/or Jeckle" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Best wishes,\n\nJack" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Good Suggestions.\nRaquel Welch, perfect.\nso are Gandolfini and Mineo. \nI agree about Grace Kelly being too glamourous. (God how I love to look at her though. probably my all time starlet.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org [mailto:brunians at brunians.org]\n\nLinda Hunt as Father Inire." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Great suggestion. unorthodox, but perfect.\n\nthanks.\n~witz" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-01-16T03:54:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<1916.67.142.130.22.1232043974.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "No - Rowan Atkinson for Incus." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Linda Hunt as Father Inire." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Strange. I was just thinking that Linda Hunt (with big fake Bubba teeth) \nwould be ideal for Incus.\n:-) " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-01-16T19:21:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've got the perfect Severian:\nMichael Trucco\nthe guy who plays Sam Anders in Battlestar Gallactica.\nhe's just about the right height too. 6'3\" just a bit Taller than the Lexicon suggests. He doesn't look super smart, but he's doesn't look like a fool either." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1845532921-1232134018-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1902480427-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "from": { "name": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-01-16T19:24:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Good call\nThe frakin hotel I'm in doesn't get scifi channel so I gotta miss the show tonight\n------Original Message------\nFrom: Son of Witz\nSender: urth-bounces at lists.urth.net\nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nReplyTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSent: Jan 16, 2009 11:21 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Fantasy Casting Thread\n\nI've got the perfect Severian:\nMichael Trucco\nthe guy who plays Sam Anders in Battlestar Gallactica.\nhe's just about the right height too. 6'3\" just a bit Taller than the Lexicon suggests. He doesn't look super smart, but he's doesn't look like a fool either." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-01-16T23:22:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "<1845532921-1232134018-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1902480427-@bxe264.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Good call\nThe frakin hotel I'm in doesn't get scifi channel so I gotta miss the show tonight" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "TORTURE!!!\nI can't watch it either because I just started season 4 dvds last night.\nI've haven't watched any regularly programmed TV show in my adult life, I'd thought I might change that up for BSG, now that I finally bit the bullet and hooked up cable, but the DVD's came out too late.\n\nwhat a show. I've never seen any film/series that was as much like a long novel. I mean, one that worked as well.\n\nanyone here NOT checked it out? It's definitely worthwhile, and that's the only TV plug you'll get from me. \n\nI can't help but think, as of Season 4, episode 2, (as far as I've seen) that these guys have read New and Long Suns. some of the themes they've teased at are quite similar. False pantheon, One True God, Cyclicality of creations. These are, as Jordon reminds me, probably just standard SF tropes, but I can't help but think there may be an influence. \n\nI also can't help but think, for the same reasons, that Clive Barker read BotNS before writing Imagica. Has anyone here read that? That's one of the only novels I've read multiple times. Absolutely love it. Haven't read much of Barker since then. I figure that must be his masterstroke.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------Original Message------\nFrom: Son of Witz\nSender: urth-bounces at lists.urth.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-01-16T23:26:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I also can't help but think, for the same reasons, that Clive Barker read BotNS before writing Imagica. Has anyone here read that? That's one of the only novels I've read multiple times. Absolutely love it. Haven't read much of Barker since then. I figure that must be his masterstroke.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "OH MY GOD,\nthere's a sequel????????!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!\nand 14 years old. How the hell did I never bump into that.\njesus. maybe my reread of Moby Dick will have to wait.\n\n~witz" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-01-16T23:54:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fantasy Casting Thread", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I also can't help but think, for the same reasons, that Clive Barker read BotNS before writing Imagica. Has anyone here read that? That's one of the only novels I've read multiple times. Absolutely love it. Haven't read much of Barker since then. I figure that must be his masterstroke.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "OH MY GOD,\nthere's a sequel????????!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!\nand 14 years old. How the hell did I never bump into that.\njesus. maybe my reread of Moby Dick will have to wait.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "OOPS!\nIt's just that they cut it in two volumes for a paperback edition.\n(even though my old paperback has the full story)\nthanks for pointing it out Jordon. (on another board)\n/Embarrassed.\n\nfuck though, Imagica must be my Book of Gold.\n\n~witz3" } ] } ] }