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    "id": 5340,
    "subject": "OH SCYLLA!!!",
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    "first": "2009-02-13T00:44:14+00:00",
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        "name": "Son of Witz",
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      "date": "2009-02-13T00:44:14+00:00",
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          "text": "\"Oh Scylla!\"\n\nI think that moment in Short Sun, which I read last night on my birthday, was probably one of the best, most heart-breakingly joyful moments I've EVER had the pleasure to read.  Wow. what an absolute masterstroke.\nIt seemed, upon reading this passage on my birthday, that Jordon Flato gave me a time bomb bday present when he recommended these books to me about a year ago. Hot Damn.\n\nI'm still not done, so, if you'd kindly spare me spoilers in this thread, I'd be most obliged.\n\nI just read about Pig's eye surgery, and finally come to understand how Horn lost his eye.  Wow. Something huge there about passing on, or sharing a vision or perspective.  Horn's story arc may be the most compelling character development I've ever read.\n\nI'm hoping to come to understand how Horn has Seawracks ring on as he's back in New Viron. Either I forgot or he hasn't explained yet.\n\nI really love how he mentions stuff before it's explained. at first it was frustrating, but it works really well for Wolfe's style, in that it's usually NOT the big plot movements, but what those movements mean to the characters. A lesser author might try to leave the anticipation until the moment of revelation, to milk the surprise for all it's worth.He manages to tantalize us, and then still thrill us when we finally come to the part he's hinted at.  There was a decent amount of that in Severian's narration, but Horn is a master at it.\n\nI have so many things to say about it, I'll spare you any more babble until I've wrapped my head around it. \n\nbut it's just so wonderful and profound an artwork. the Long and Short are sincerely masterworks. perhaps even better than New Sun. Certainly more compelling the first time through.  YOWZA!!!\n\n*head spins*\n\n~sonofwitz"
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        "name": "Jordon Flato",
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      "date": "2009-02-13T17:02:29+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": ":)\n\nI had planned that you would reach just that part by your birthday, but was\nunsure if I'd timed it right.  Looks like that time I met you for lunch in\nUnion Square was worth it, for if I hadn't you would have read three more\nchapters that day, and then the time delay bomb of chaps 14 and 15 would\nhave been off by days.\n\nDamn I'm clever!\n\nCan't wait to discuss it with you when you are finished sir."
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          "text": "On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:\n\"Oh Scylla!\"\n\nI think that moment in Short Sun, which I read last night on my birthday,\nwas probably one of the best, most heart-breakingly joyful moments I've EVER\nhad the pleasure to read.  Wow. what an absolute masterstroke.\nIt seemed, upon reading this passage on my birthday, that Jordon Flato gave\nme a time bomb bday present when he recommended these books to me about a\nyear ago. Hot Damn.\n\nI'm still not done, so, if you'd kindly spare me spoilers in this thread,\nI'd be most obliged.\n\nI just read about Pig's eye surgery, and finally come to understand how\nHorn lost his eye.  Wow. Something huge there about passing on, or sharing a\nvision or perspective.  Horn's story arc may be the most compelling\ncharacter development I've ever read.\n\nI'm hoping to come to understand how Horn has Seawracks ring on as he's\nback in New Viron. Either I forgot or he hasn't explained yet.\n\nI really love how he mentions stuff before it's explained. at first it was\nfrustrating, but it works really well for Wolfe's style, in that it's\nusually NOT the big plot movements, but what those movements mean to the\ncharacters. A lesser author might try to leave the anticipation until the\nmoment of revelation, to milk the surprise for all it's worth.He manages to\ntantalize us, and then still thrill us when we finally come to the part he's\nhinted at.  There was a decent amount of that in Severian's narration, but\nHorn is a master at it.\n\nI have so many things to say about it, I'll spare you any more babble until\nI've wrapped my head around it.\n\nbut it's just so wonderful and profound an artwork. the Long and Short are\nsincerely masterworks. perhaps even better than New Sun. Certainly more\ncompelling the first time through.  YOWZA!!!\n\n*head spins*\n\n~sonofwitz\n\n\n_______________________________________________"
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      "date": "2009-02-13T17:45:20+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": "We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say?\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 \nTo: The Urth Mailing List<urth at lists.urth.net>\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!"
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      "date": "2009-02-13T18:11:27+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": "Lets.\nTim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim?\n\n~Witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM\nTo: 'The Urth Mailing List'\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nWe SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say?\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 "
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        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
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      "date": "2009-02-13T18:43:15+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": "So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending."
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          "text": "On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz\n<sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:\nLets.\nTim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim?\n\n~Witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM\nTo: 'The Urth Mailing List'\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nWe SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say?\nSent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29\nTo: The Urth Mailing List<urth at lists.urth.net>\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\n\n_______________________________________________"
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      "from": {
        "name": "Tim Walters",
        "address": "walters at doubtfulpalace.com"
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      "date": "2009-02-13T18:48:20+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": "So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might.\nDepending."
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          "text": "Is anyone else going to Potlatch two weekends from now?\n\nhttp://potlatch-sf.org"
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          "text": "Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com"
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        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
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      "date": "2009-02-13T18:49:58+00:00",
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          "text": "I'd like to but I'm unemployed & can't afford such things."
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          "text": "On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tim Walters\n<walters at doubtfulpalace.com> wrote:\nSo am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might.\nDepending."
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          "text": "Is anyone else going to Potlatch two weekends from now?\n\nhttp://potlatch-sf.org\n\n--\nTim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com\n\n\n_______________________________________________"
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        "name": "Son of Witz",
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      "date": "2009-02-13T18:55:33+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": "So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending."
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          "text": "ah, come on. we can have some beer and arm wrestle over this Christological question.\n:)\n\nPotlach. nah. never had heard of it. \n\n~Mike"
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          "text": "On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz\n<sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:"
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          "text": "Lets.\nTim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim?\n\n~Witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM\nTo: 'The Urth Mailing List'\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nWe SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say?\nSent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29"
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      "from": {
        "name": "Allan Anderson",
        "address": "rubel at goosemoon.org"
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      "date": "2009-02-13T18:59:53+00:00",
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          "text": "Sounds like fun to me too, although I haven't read the Suns Long or Short yet myself.\n\nOn Fri Feb 13 10:11 , \"Son of Witz\"  sent:"
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          "text": "Lets.\nTim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim?\n\n~Witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [hammstu at sbcglobal.net]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM\nTo: 'The Urth Mailing List'\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nWe SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say?\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato jordonflato at gmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 "
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      "date": "2009-02-13T21:04:51+00:00",
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          "text": "So am I, and I'm pretty sure there are two are three others that are old timers, but I don't think most of us have ever actually met."
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          "text": "\"When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set.\" -- Lin Yutang"
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          "text": "Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:43:15 -0800\nFrom: danldo at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nSo am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending.\n\nOn Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz\n<sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:"
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          "text": "Lets.\nTim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim?\n\n~Witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM\nTo: 'The Urth Mailing List'\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nWe SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say?\nSent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29"
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      "date": "2009-02-13T21:28:03+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": "anybody have a dark oubliette or dram shop to suggest for gathering?\nbars are only on my radar if a band I like is playing there.\n~witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Chris P [mailto:rasputin_ at hotmail.com]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 01:04 PM\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\n\nSo am I, and I'm pretty sure there are two are three others that are old timers, but I don't think most of us have ever actually met.\n\n-- \n\"When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set.\" -- Lin Yutang"
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          "text": "Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:43:15 -0800\nFrom: danldo at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nSo am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending.\n\nOn Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz\n<sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:"
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          "text": "Lets.\nTim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim?\n\n~Witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM\nTo: 'The Urth Mailing List'\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nWe SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say?\nSent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29"
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      "date": "2009-02-13T22:27:37+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": "We could organize our own feast of catherine at the sweedish american hall next to cafe du nord....anyone want to nominate their mother for beheading???\nKeezar might work....the pub not the sports bar on Stanyon\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: \"Son of Witz\" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:28:03 \nTo: The Urth Mailing List<urth at lists.urth.net>\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\n\nanybody have a dark oubliette or dram shop to suggest for gathering?\nbars are only on my radar if a band I like is playing there.\n~witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Chris P [mailto:rasputin_ at hotmail.com]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 01:04 PM\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\n\nSo am I, and I'm pretty sure there are two are three others that are old timers, but I don't think most of us have ever actually met.\n\n-- \n\"When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set.\" -- Lin Yutang"
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          "text": "Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:43:15 -0800\nFrom: danldo at gmail.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nSo am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending.\n\nOn Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz\n<sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:"
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          "text": "Lets.\nTim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim?\n\n~Witz"
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM\nTo: 'The Urth Mailing List'\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\nWe SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say?\nSent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29\nTo: The Urth Mailing List<urth at lists.urth.net>\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net"
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          "text": "_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net"
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          "text": "-- \nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net"
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          "text": "_________________________________________________________________\nWindows Live?: Keep your life in sync. \nhttp://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009"
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      "date": "2009-02-13T22:30:38+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
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          "text": "Let's do it.....\n#*@@+?$......did you know that those are called \"gwarlicks\"?\nAnd any guesses as to what \"snarge\" is?\nNo cheating\nSent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Chris P <rasputin_ at hotmail.com>\n\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:04:51 \nTo: <urth at lists.urth.net>\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!"
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      "message_id": "<4995F59C.6060304@verizon.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "David Stockhoff",
        "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net"
      },
      "date": "2009-02-13T22:35:08+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
      "in_reply_to": "<2071928937-1234564253-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2144487753-@bxe1029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>",
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          "text": "Oubliette would be a great name for a bar. Hmm, on second thought it \nwould probably get crowded with leather boys and daddies. Even if it \nwasn't in San Francisco. Incidentally, I looked for those bands on \neMusic but found only a band called Chief Secrets of a Bungling Empire \nUnexpectedly Hidden in General Patton's Tomahawk Museum. Too bad. \nStrangely, they do not appear to be from San Francisco. \n------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 \n21:28:03 +0000 From: \"Son of Witz\" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> Subject: "
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    {
      "message_id": "<W6489213270301821234565435@webmail23>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Son of Witz",
        "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org"
      },
      "date": "2009-02-13T22:50:35+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
      "in_reply_to": "<4995F59C.6060304@verizon.net>",
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          "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: David Stockhoff [mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 02:35 PM"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Oubliette would be a great name for a bar. Hmm, on second thought it \nwould probably get crowded with leather boys and daddies. Even if it \nwasn't in San Francisco. "
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "Ha. NO KIDDING!\n\nIncidentally, I looked for those bands on "
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          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "eMusic but found only a band called Chief Secrets of a Bungling Empire \nUnexpectedly Hidden in General Patton's Tomahawk Museum. Too bad. \nStrangely, they do not appear to be from San Francisco. "
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          "text": "With that name, they must be a total fanboy band emulating their heroes I suppose.  SC3's mastermind, Trey Spruance was the guitarist/keyboardist for Mr. Bungle, Mike Patton's \"other\" band (way more interesting than Faith No More or anything he's done since) I think they've completely eclipsed Mr. Bungle at this point, in terms of quality, but not notoriety.\n\nIf you're looking to download, you can get from iTunes.\nIf you just want to get a sampling: http://www.myspace.com/secretchiefs3\n(The Owl in Daylight song on there is the name of the book PKD was working on when he died) \nOf course, as the illustrator, I'd urge you to get the discs if your interested.  Book of Horizons is a great album & has a 20 page booklet of my artwork. worked a year on that project. Path of Most Resistance is an introductory sampler of the more accessible stuff (like on the myspace) with one of my dayjob bosses on the cover as an evil senator. The upcoming DVD, (march 10) is of a Great American Music Hall show, and will have several unreleased songs.  They're playing March 10th at Yoshis SF, kicking off the John Zorn Masada week, performing the Book of Angels Vol 9 Xaphan material, which should be heavy duty cool. I'll be going to both sets of that.\n\nok, I think I've pimped my shit on this list enough today.  sorry.\n~witz"
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    {
      "message_id": "<499634CE.5080405@verizon.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "David Stockhoff",
        "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net"
      },
      "date": "2009-02-14T03:04:46+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) OH SCYLLA!!!",
      "in_reply_to": "<W6489213270301821234565435@webmail23>",
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          "text": "cool!"
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          "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 5\nDate: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:50:35 +0000\nFrom: \"Son of Witz\" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>\nSubject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!!\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" <urth at lists.urth.net>\nMessage-ID: <W6489213270301821234565435 at webmail23>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"\n\n\nWith that name, they must be a total fanboy band emulating their heroes I suppose.  SC3's mastermind, Trey Spruance was the guitarist/keyboardist for Mr. Bungle, Mike Patton's \"other\" band (way more interesting than Faith No More or anything he's done since) I think they've completely eclipsed Mr. Bungle at this point, in terms of quality, but not notoriety.\n\nIf you're looking to download, you can get from iTunes.\nIf you just want to get a sampling: http://www.myspace.com/secretchiefs3\n(The Owl in Daylight song on there is the name of the book PKD was working on when he died) \nOf course, as the illustrator, I'd urge you to get the discs if your interested.  Book of Horizons is a great album & has a 20 page booklet of my artwork. worked a year on that project. Path of Most Resistance is an introductory sampler of the more accessible stuff (like on the myspace) with one of my dayjob bosses on the cover as an evil senator. The upcoming DVD, (march 10) is of a Great American Music Hall show, and will have several unreleased songs.  They're playing March 10th at Yoshis SF, kicking off the John Zorn Masada week, performing the Book of Angels Vol 9 Xaphan material, which should be heavy duty cool. I'll be going to both sets of that.\n\nok, I think I've pimped my shit on this list enough today.  sorry.\n~witz\n\n\n------------------------------"
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