# OH SCYLLA!!! *The Urth list — 16 messages, 8 voices, 13 Feb 2009* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Son of Witz *13 Feb 2009, 00:44* "Oh Scylla!" I think that moment in Short Sun, which I read last night on my birthday, was probably one of the best, most heart-breakingly joyful moments I've EVER had the pleasure to read. Wow. what an absolute masterstroke. It seemed, upon reading this passage on my birthday, that Jordon Flato gave me a time bomb bday present when he recommended these books to me about a year ago. Hot Damn. I'm still not done, so, if you'd kindly spare me spoilers in this thread, I'd be most obliged. I just read about Pig's eye surgery, and finally come to understand how Horn lost his eye. Wow. Something huge there about passing on, or sharing a vision or perspective. Horn's story arc may be the most compelling character development I've ever read. I'm hoping to come to understand how Horn has Seawracks ring on as he's back in New Viron. Either I forgot or he hasn't explained yet. I really love how he mentions stuff before it's explained. at first it was frustrating, but it works really well for Wolfe's style, in that it's usually NOT the big plot movements, but what those movements mean to the characters. A lesser author might try to leave the anticipation until the moment of revelation, to milk the surprise for all it's worth.He manages to tantalize us, and then still thrill us when we finally come to the part he's hinted at. There was a decent amount of that in Severian's narration, but Horn is a master at it. I have so many things to say about it, I'll spare you any more babble until I've wrapped my head around it. but it's just so wonderful and profound an artwork. the Long and Short are sincerely masterworks. perhaps even better than New Sun. Certainly more compelling the first time through. YOWZA!!! *head spins* ~sonofwitz --- ### Jordon Flato *13 Feb 2009, 17:02 · in reply to Son of Witz* :) I had planned that you would reach just that part by your birthday, but was unsure if I'd timed it right. Looks like that time I met you for lunch in Union Square was worth it, for if I hadn't you would have read three more chapters that day, and then the time delay bomb of chaps 14 and 15 would have been off by days. Damn I'm clever! Can't wait to discuss it with you when you are finished sir. > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Son of Witz wrote: > "Oh Scylla!" > > I think that moment in Short Sun, which I read last night on my birthday, > was probably one of the best, most heart-breakingly joyful moments I've EVER > had the pleasure to read. Wow. what an absolute masterstroke. > It seemed, upon reading this passage on my birthday, that Jordon Flato gave > me a time bomb bday present when he recommended these books to me about a > year ago. Hot Damn. > > I'm still not done, so, if you'd kindly spare me spoilers in this thread, > I'd be most obliged. > > I just read about Pig's eye surgery, and finally come to understand how > Horn lost his eye. Wow. Something huge there about passing on, or sharing a > vision or perspective. Horn's story arc may be the most compelling > character development I've ever read. > > I'm hoping to come to understand how Horn has Seawracks ring on as he's > back in New Viron. Either I forgot or he hasn't explained yet. > > I really love how he mentions stuff before it's explained. at first it was > frustrating, but it works really well for Wolfe's style, in that it's > usually NOT the big plot movements, but what those movements mean to the > characters. A lesser author might try to leave the anticipation until the > moment of revelation, to milk the surprise for all it's worth.He manages to > tantalize us, and then still thrill us when we finally come to the part he's > hinted at. There was a decent amount of that in Severian's narration, but > Horn is a master at it. > > I have so many things to say about it, I'll spare you any more babble until > I've wrapped my head around it. > > but it's just so wonderful and profound an artwork. the Long and Short are > sincerely masterworks. perhaps even better than New Sun. Certainly more > compelling the first time through. YOWZA!!! > > *head spins* > > ~sonofwitz > > > _______________________________________________ --- ### hammstu at sbcglobal.net *13 Feb 2009, 17:45 · in reply to Jordon Flato* We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say? Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed -----Original Message----- From: Jordon Flato Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 To: The Urth Mailing List Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! --- ### Son of Witz *13 Feb 2009, 18:11 · follows hammstu at sbcglobal.net* Lets. Tim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim? ~Witz > -----Original Message----- > From: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM > To: 'The Urth Mailing List' > Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! > > We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say? > Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordon Flato > > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *13 Feb 2009, 18:43 · in reply to Son of Witz* So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending. > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz > wrote: > Lets. > Tim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim? > > ~Witz >> -----Original Message----- >> From: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net] >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM >> To: 'The Urth Mailing List' >> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >> >> We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say? >> Sent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jordon Flato >> >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 >> To: The Urth Mailing List >> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ --- ### Tim Walters *13 Feb 2009, 18:48 · follows Dan'l Danehy-Oakes* > So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. > Depending. Is anyone else going to Potlatch two weekends from now? http://potlatch-sf.org ``` Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ``` --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *13 Feb 2009, 18:49 · in reply to Tim Walters* I'd like to but I'm unemployed & can't afford such things. >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Tim Walters >> wrote: >> So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. >> Depending. > Is anyone else going to Potlatch two weekends from now? > > http://potlatch-sf.org > > -- > Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com > > > _______________________________________________ --- ### Son of Witz *13 Feb 2009, 18:55 · follows Dan'l Danehy-Oakes* > So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending. ah, come on. we can have some beer and arm wrestle over this Christological question. :) Potlach. nah. never had heard of it. ~Mike > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz > wrote: >> Lets. >> Tim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim? >> >> ~Witz >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net] >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM >>> To: 'The Urth Mailing List' >>> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >>> >>> We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say? >>> Sent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jordon Flato >>> >>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 --- ### Allan Anderson *13 Feb 2009, 18:59 · follows Son of Witz* Sounds like fun to me too, although I haven't read the Suns Long or Short yet myself. On Fri Feb 13 10:11 , "Son of Witz" sent: > Lets. > Tim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim? > > ~Witz >> -----Original Message----- >> From: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [hammstu at sbcglobal.net] >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM >> To: 'The Urth Mailing List' >> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >> >> We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say? >> Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jordon Flato jordonflato at gmail.com> >> >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 --- ### Chris P *13 Feb 2009, 21:04 · in reply to Dan'l Danehy-Oakes* So am I, and I'm pretty sure there are two are three others that are old timers, but I don't think most of us have ever actually met. ``` "When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set." -- Lin Yutang ``` > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:43:15 -0800 > From: danldo at gmail.com > To: urth at lists.urth.net > Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! > > So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending. > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz > wrote: >> Lets. >> Tim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim? >> >> ~Witz >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net] >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM >>> To: 'The Urth Mailing List' >>> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >>> >>> We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say? >>> Sent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jordon Flato >>> >>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 --- ### Son of Witz *13 Feb 2009, 21:28 · follows Chris P* anybody have a dark oubliette or dram shop to suggest for gathering? bars are only on my radar if a band I like is playing there. ~witz > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris P [mailto:rasputin_ at hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 01:04 PM > To: urth at lists.urth.net > Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! > > > So am I, and I'm pretty sure there are two are three others that are old timers, but I don't think most of us have ever actually met. > > -- > "When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set." -- Lin Yutang >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:43:15 -0800 >> From: danldo at gmail.com >> To: urth at lists.urth.net >> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >> >> So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending. >> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz >> wrote: >>> Lets. >>> Tim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim? >>> >>> ~Witz >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net] >>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM >>>> To: 'The Urth Mailing List' >>>> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >>>> >>>> We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say? >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jordon Flato >>>> >>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 --- ### hammstu at sbcglobal.net *13 Feb 2009, 22:27 · in reply to Son of Witz* We could organize our own feast of catherine at the sweedish american hall next to cafe du nord....anyone want to nominate their mother for beheading??? Keezar might work....the pub not the sports bar on Stanyon Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed -----Original Message----- From: "Son of Witz" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:28:03 To: The Urth Mailing List Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! anybody have a dark oubliette or dram shop to suggest for gathering? bars are only on my radar if a band I like is playing there. ~witz > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris P [mailto:rasputin_ at hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 01:04 PM > To: urth at lists.urth.net > Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! > > > So am I, and I'm pretty sure there are two are three others that are old timers, but I don't think most of us have ever actually met. > > -- > "When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set." -- Lin Yutang >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:43:15 -0800 >> From: danldo at gmail.com >> To: urth at lists.urth.net >> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >> >> So am I, but I can't guarantee to show up at a thing. But I might. Depending. >> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Son of Witz >> wrote: >>> Lets. >>> Tim Walters is SF too, right, or did I get my wires crossed with the other Tim? >>> >>> ~Witz >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: hammstu at sbcglobal.net [mailto:hammstu at sbcglobal.net] >>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 09:45 AM >>>> To: 'The Urth Mailing List' >>>> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >>>> >>>> We SF Urthers should get together when witz finishes...waddya say? >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone with SprintSpeed >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jordon Flato >>>> >>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:02:29 >>>> To: The Urth Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Urth Mailing List >>>> To post, write urth at urth.net >>>> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Urth Mailing List >>>> To post, write urth at urth.net >>>> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Urth Mailing List >>> To post, write urth at urth.net >>> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net >> -- >> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes >> _______________________________________________ >> Urth Mailing List >> To post, write urth at urth.net >> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 --- ### hammstu at sbcglobal.net *13 Feb 2009, 22:30 · in reply to Chris P* Let's do it..... #*@@+?$......did you know that those are called "gwarlicks"? And any guesses as to what "snarge" is? No cheating Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed -----Original Message----- From: Chris P Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:04:51 To: Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! --- ### David Stockhoff *13 Feb 2009, 22:35 · follows hammstu at sbcglobal.net* Oubliette would be a great name for a bar. Hmm, on second thought it would probably get crowded with leather boys and daddies. Even if it wasn't in San Francisco. Incidentally, I looked for those bands on eMusic but found only a band called Chief Secrets of a Bungling Empire Unexpectedly Hidden in General Patton's Tomahawk Museum. Too bad. Strangely, they do not appear to be from San Francisco. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:28:03 +0000 From: "Son of Witz" Subject: --- ### Son of Witz *13 Feb 2009, 22:50 · follows David Stockhoff* > -----Original Message----- > From: David Stockhoff [mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 02:35 PM > Oubliette would be a great name for a bar. Hmm, on second thought it > would probably get crowded with leather boys and daddies. Even if it > wasn't in San Francisco. Ha. NO KIDDING! Incidentally, I looked for those bands on > eMusic but found only a band called Chief Secrets of a Bungling Empire > Unexpectedly Hidden in General Patton's Tomahawk Museum. Too bad. > Strangely, they do not appear to be from San Francisco. With that name, they must be a total fanboy band emulating their heroes I suppose. SC3's mastermind, Trey Spruance was the guitarist/keyboardist for Mr. Bungle, Mike Patton's "other" band (way more interesting than Faith No More or anything he's done since) I think they've completely eclipsed Mr. Bungle at this point, in terms of quality, but not notoriety. If you're looking to download, you can get from iTunes. If you just want to get a sampling: http://www.myspace.com/secretchiefs3 (The Owl in Daylight song on there is the name of the book PKD was working on when he died) Of course, as the illustrator, I'd urge you to get the discs if your interested. Book of Horizons is a great album & has a 20 page booklet of my artwork. worked a year on that project. Path of Most Resistance is an introductory sampler of the more accessible stuff (like on the myspace) with one of my dayjob bosses on the cover as an evil senator. The upcoming DVD, (march 10) is of a Great American Music Hall show, and will have several unreleased songs. They're playing March 10th at Yoshis SF, kicking off the John Zorn Masada week, performing the Book of Angels Vol 9 Xaphan material, which should be heavy duty cool. I'll be going to both sets of that. ok, I think I've pimped my shit on this list enough today. sorry. ~witz --- ### David Stockhoff *14 Feb 2009, 03:04 · follows Son of Witz* cool! > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:50:35 +0000 > From: "Son of Witz" > Subject: Re: (urth) OH SCYLLA!!! > To: "The Urth Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > With that name, they must be a total fanboy band emulating their heroes I suppose. SC3's mastermind, Trey Spruance was the guitarist/keyboardist for Mr. Bungle, Mike Patton's "other" band (way more interesting than Faith No More or anything he's done since) I think they've completely eclipsed Mr. Bungle at this point, in terms of quality, but not notoriety. > > If you're looking to download, you can get from iTunes. > If you just want to get a sampling: http://www.myspace.com/secretchiefs3 > (The Owl in Daylight song on there is the name of the book PKD was working on when he died) > Of course, as the illustrator, I'd urge you to get the discs if your interested. Book of Horizons is a great album & has a 20 page booklet of my artwork. worked a year on that project. Path of Most Resistance is an introductory sampler of the more accessible stuff (like on the myspace) with one of my dayjob bosses on the cover as an evil senator. The upcoming DVD, (march 10) is of a Great American Music Hall show, and will have several unreleased songs. They're playing March 10th at Yoshis SF, kicking off the John Zorn Masada week, performing the Book of Angels Vol 9 Xaphan material, which should be heavy duty cool. I'll be going to both sets of that. > > ok, I think I've pimped my shit on this list enough today. sorry. > ~witz > > > ------------------------------ ---