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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5345, "subject": "Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "messages": 10, "voices": 5, "first": "2009-02-13T18:19:16+00:00", "last": "2009-02-14T17:41:32+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-02-13T18:19:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "All right, I warned ya I'd be pimping this when the time was right.\nFinally, the band has their webstore up.\n\nhttp://www.orangetulipconspiracy.com/store.php\n\nMy Monomachy illustration of the Avern Duel, for the band Orange Tulip Conspiracy.\n\nHere's a much more detailed picture:\nhttp://www.butcherbaker.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/monomachy_otc_prev.jpg\n\n\nMy intent was to make it look like a medieval woodcut. I don't go for today's photoshoppy SF illustration, so I'm trying to keep it old school for The Book of the New Sun illustrations I've been developing. This is the first thing that is actually a finished work of art. Of course, I have my qualms about some aspects, but, hey, it is what it is, and it's printed...and available.\n\nThe band is really good. The album is strong and their live set is killer. Check out the mp3s and videos. Those aware of Estradasphere or Secret Chiefs 3 should take note, because they share players.\n\nanyway, there's my shameless plug.\n~SonOfWitz" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370902131049nb50869fi5fba0ab90d365e6f@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-02-13T18:49:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nice picture. Very surprising music." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Son of Witz\n wrote:\nAll right, I warned ya I'd be pimping this when the time was right.\nFinally, the band has their webstore up.\n\nhttp://www.orangetulipconspiracy.com/store.php\n\nMy Monomachy illustration of the Avern Duel, for the band Orange Tulip Conspiracy.\n\nHere's a much more detailed picture:\nhttp://www.butcherbaker.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/monomachy_otc_prev.jpg\n\n\nMy intent was to make it look like a medieval woodcut. I don't go for today's photoshoppy SF illustration, so I'm trying to keep it old school for The Book of the New Sun illustrations I've been developing. This is the first thing that is actually a finished work of art. Of course, I have my qualms about some aspects, but, hey, it is what it is, and it's printed...and available.\n\nThe band is really good. The album is strong and their live set is killer. Check out the mp3s and videos. Those aware of Estradasphere or Secret Chiefs 3 should take note, because they share players.\n\nanyway, there's my shameless plug.\n~SonOfWitz\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<45144.1234554350@speakeasy.net>", "from": { "name": "Allan Anderson", "address": "rubel at goosemoon.org" }, "date": "2009-02-13T19:45:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370902131049nb50869fi5fba0ab90d365e6f@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Neat shirt! Aw, I saw that they were playing in SF not long ago and gave it a\nmiss due to baby-related schedule compression...but now I think I might have to\nmake sure I catch them next time.\n\nOn Fri Feb 13 10:19 , \"Son of Witz\" sent:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "All right, I warned ya I'd be pimping this when the time was right.\nFinally, the band has their webstore up.\n\nhttp://www.orangetulipconspiracy.com/store.php\n\nMy Monomachy illustration of the Avern Duel, for the band Orange Tulip Conspiracy.\n\nHere's a much more detailed picture:\nhttp://www.butcherbaker.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/monomachy_otc_prev.jpg\n\n\nMy intent was to make it look like a medieval woodcut. I don't go for today's\nphotoshoppy SF illustration, so I'm trying to keep it old school for The Book of\nthe New Sun illustrations I've been developing. This is the first thing that is\nactually a finished work of art. Of course, I have my qualms about some aspects,\nbut, hey, it is what it is, and it's printed...and available.\n\nThe band is really good. The album is strong and their live set is killer. Check\nout the mp3s and videos. Those aware of Estradasphere or Secret Chiefs 3 should\ntake note, because they share players.\n\nanyway, there's my shameless plug.\n~SonOfWitz\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-02-13T20:18:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "<45144.1234554350@speakeasy.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks Dan'l, Allan.\nI don't want to bore anyone with thanks any time someone makes a compliment, but I don't like to be rude and ignore such, either.\n\nI'm well familiar with baby-related schedule compression and shows. \nGot a second kid on the way. That show was really good. I figure they'll only get better. \nThey're trying to get another album out this year, the first has been selling better than anyone expected. Still small potatoes compared to, I dunnoh, I suppose Stu's albums, but people are digging it.\n\nI told Jason Schimmel, the guitarist/composer, he should read BotNS, and will probably try to do some more BotNS stuff for him. He ought to like the words. He almost called the band Catafalque, which is in New or Long Sun. The Secret Chiefs composer, Trey, opened up Shadow at random and saw one of his upcoming song titles on the page, Septentrion. Now hopefully he'll read the copies I gave him for Christmas.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Allan Anderson [mailto:rubel at goosemoon.org]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:45 AM\nTo: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt\n\nNeat shirt! Aw, I saw that they were playing in SF not long ago and gave it a\nmiss due to baby-related schedule compression...but now I think I might have to\nmake sure I catch them next time." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [mailto:danldo at gmail.com]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:49 AM" } ] }, { "message_id": "<35423.1234570438@speakeasy.net>", "from": { "name": "Allan Anderson", "address": "rubel at goosemoon.org" }, "date": "2009-02-14T00:13:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "While we're semi-off-topic and talking about music, I thought I'd mention that\nJuana Molina is playing at the Great American Music Hall in SF tonight:\nhttp://www.myspace.com/juanamolina\n\nI bring her up partially in the sense of flying gleefully off topic from Wolfe's\nwork, but also because she's an Argentine who evokes a serious sense of weird,\nalien, and transcendent. I'm sure not everyone reacts this way, but I love it\nwhen I find music and writing which take me on journeys to similar places.\n\nOn Fri Feb 13 12:18 , \"Son of Witz\" sent:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Thanks Dan'l, Allan.\nI don't want to bore anyone with thanks any time someone makes a compliment, but" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't like to be rude and ignore such, either." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I'm well familiar with baby-related schedule compression and shows. \nGot a second kid on the way. That show was really good. I figure they'll only\nget better. \nThey're trying to get another album out this year, the first has been selling\nbetter than anyone expected. Still small potatoes compared to, I dunnoh, I\nsuppose Stu's albums, but people are digging it.\n\nI told Jason Schimmel, the guitarist/composer, he should read BotNS, and will\nprobably try to do some more BotNS stuff for him. He ought to like the words. He\nalmost called the band Catafalque, which is in New or Long Sun. The Secret\nChiefs composer, Trey, opened up Shadow at random and saw one of his upcoming\nsong titles on the page, Septentrion. Now hopefully he'll read the copies I gave\nhim for Christmas.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Allan Anderson [rubel at goosemoon.org]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:45 AM\nTo: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt\n\nNeat shirt! Aw, I saw that they were playing in SF not long ago and gave it a\nmiss due to baby-related schedule compression...but now I think I might have to\nmake sure I catch them next time." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [danldo at gmail.com]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:49 AM" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-02-14T00:25:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "<35423.1234570438@speakeasy.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Allan Anderson [mailto:rubel at goosemoon.org]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 04:13 PM\nTo: 'The Urth Mailing List'\nSubject: Re: (urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt\n\nWhile we're semi-off-topic and talking about music, I thought I'd mention that\nJuana Molina is playing at the Great American Music Hall in SF tonight:\nhttp://www.myspace.com/juanamolina\n\nI bring her up partially in the sense of flying gleefully off topic from Wolfe's\nwork, but also because she's an Argentine who evokes a serious sense of weird,\nalien, and transcendent. I'm sure not everyone reacts this way, but I love it\nwhen I find music and writing which take me on journeys to similar places." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ooh. I like. thanks.\ncant make the show though." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri Feb 13 12:18 , \"Son of Witz\" sent:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Thanks Dan'l, Allan.\nI don't want to bore anyone with thanks any time someone makes a compliment, but\nI don't like to be rude and ignore such, either.\n\nI'm well familiar with baby-related schedule compression and shows. \nGot a second kid on the way. That show was really good. I figure they'll only\nget better. \nThey're trying to get another album out this year, the first has been selling\nbetter than anyone expected. Still small potatoes compared to, I dunnoh, I\nsuppose Stu's albums, but people are digging it.\n\nI told Jason Schimmel, the guitarist/composer, he should read BotNS, and will\nprobably try to do some more BotNS stuff for him. He ought to like the words. He\nalmost called the band Catafalque, which is in New or Long Sun. The Secret\nChiefs composer, Trey, opened up Shadow at random and saw one of his upcoming\nsong titles on the page, Septentrion. Now hopefully he'll read the copies I gave\nhim for Christmas.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Allan Anderson [rubel at goosemoon.org]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:45 AM\nTo: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt\n\nNeat shirt! Aw, I saw that they were playing in SF not long ago and gave it a\nmiss due to baby-related schedule compression...but now I think I might have to\nmake sure I catch them next time." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [danldo at gmail.com]\nSent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:49 AM" } ] }, { "message_id": "<49967B07.9030203@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2009-02-14T08:04:23+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Son of Witz wrote:\nAll right, I warned ya I'd be pimping this when the time was right.\nFinally, the band has their webstore up.\n\nhttp://www.orangetulipconspiracy.com/store.php\n\nMy Monomachy illustration of the Avern Duel, for the band Orange Tulip Conspiracy.\n\nHere's a much more detailed picture:\nhttp://www.butcherbaker.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/monomachy_otc_prev.jpg" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Very spiffy illustration, Witz!\n\nI don't recognize the silhouette in front of the sun?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<52113AC3-B75F-406B-A8C7-2BB3EC4926B4@butcherbaker.org>", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-02-14T17:11:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "<49967B07.9030203@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\n\nVery spiffy illustration, Witz!\n\nI don't recognize the silhouette in front of the sun?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "thanks.\nduring that scene, the shield wall of Nessus is visible, and has \nclimbed almost half across the sun. something like that. It's still a \nstretch away from the sanquinary field so I didn't make it tower over \nthem. Those little curved raised sections in the silhouette of the \nwall were my lame first take on a little detail where wall sections met.\nI realize at each section there should be a bartizan (is that the \nright word) or turrets. I wasn't sure how \"castle\" to make it.\nI'd be open to suggestions about that detail, since I've been \nsketching Nessus and Citadel landscapes. I'm now more inclined to put \na spiky turret on them.\n\nI'm also unsure about the Sun's radiant lines. I didn't think, with \nmy one color limitation, that it would register as a sun without them, \nbut the lines probably make the sun look too healthy and strong.\n\nIt's really challenging trying to do something that will adhere to the \ntext. my own inspirations are much more sloppy.\nfor laughs, here's a very sloppy recent inspiration, BANANA BARBARIAN: http://tinyurl.com/bxyggw\n\n\n~witz" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-02-14T17:33:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "<52113AC3-B75F-406B-A8C7-2BB3EC4926B4@butcherbaker.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Son of Witz\n wrote:\n\nOn Feb 14, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Very spiffy illustration, Witz!\n\nI don't recognize the silhouette in front of the sun?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "thanks.\nduring that scene, the shield wall of Nessus is visible, and has climbed\nalmost half across the sun. something like that. It's still a stretch away\nfrom the sanquinary field so I didn't make it tower over them. Those little\ncurved raised sections in the silhouette of the wall were my lame first take\non a little detail where wall sections met.\nI realize at each section there should be a bartizan (is that the right\nword) or turrets. I wasn't sure how \"castle\" to make it.\nI'd be open to suggestions about that detail, since I've been sketching\nNessus and Citadel landscapes. I'm now more inclined to put a spiky turret\non them.\n\nI'm also unsure about the Sun's radiant lines. I didn't think, with my one\ncolor limitation, that it would register as a sun without them, but the\nlines probably make the sun look too healthy and strong." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "~witz" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Perhaps you could add plague spots/disease spots? Like sunspots.\n\n(Although maybe shading is not doable for the t-shirt and just dark\nspots don't convey the sickliness.)" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4997024C.2060606@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2009-02-14T17:41:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Gwern Branwen wrote:\nOn Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Son of Witz\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I'm also unsure about the Sun's radiant lines. I didn't think, with my one\ncolor limitation, that it would register as a sun without them, but the\nlines probably make the sun look too healthy and strong." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Perhaps you could add plague spots/disease spots? Like sunspots.\n\n(Although maybe shading is not doable for the t-shirt and just dark\nspots don't convey the sickliness.)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "depicting the sun with an unhappy or afflicted face would be period for \na woodcut, but spooky clouds partially obscuring the disk of the sun is \nalso a possibility" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] } ] }