# Avern Duel Tee Shirt *The Urth list — 10 messages, 5 voices, 13 Feb 2009* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Son of Witz *13 Feb 2009, 18:19* All right, I warned ya I'd be pimping this when the time was right. Finally, the band has their webstore up. http://www.orangetulipconspiracy.com/store.php My Monomachy illustration of the Avern Duel, for the band Orange Tulip Conspiracy. Here's a much more detailed picture: http://www.butcherbaker.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/monomachy_otc_prev.jpg My intent was to make it look like a medieval woodcut. I don't go for today's photoshoppy SF illustration, so I'm trying to keep it old school for The Book of the New Sun illustrations I've been developing. This is the first thing that is actually a finished work of art. Of course, I have my qualms about some aspects, but, hey, it is what it is, and it's printed...and available. The band is really good. The album is strong and their live set is killer. Check out the mp3s and videos. Those aware of Estradasphere or Secret Chiefs 3 should take note, because they share players. anyway, there's my shameless plug. ~SonOfWitz --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *13 Feb 2009, 18:49 · in reply to Son of Witz* Nice picture. Very surprising music. > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Son of Witz > wrote: > All right, I warned ya I'd be pimping this when the time was right. > Finally, the band has their webstore up. > > http://www.orangetulipconspiracy.com/store.php > > My Monomachy illustration of the Avern Duel, for the band Orange Tulip Conspiracy. > > Here's a much more detailed picture: > http://www.butcherbaker.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/monomachy_otc_prev.jpg > > > My intent was to make it look like a medieval woodcut. I don't go for today's photoshoppy SF illustration, so I'm trying to keep it old school for The Book of the New Sun illustrations I've been developing. This is the first thing that is actually a finished work of art. Of course, I have my qualms about some aspects, but, hey, it is what it is, and it's printed...and available. > > The band is really good. The album is strong and their live set is killer. Check out the mp3s and videos. Those aware of Estradasphere or Secret Chiefs 3 should take note, because they share players. > > anyway, there's my shameless plug. > ~SonOfWitz > > > _______________________________________________ --- ### Allan Anderson *13 Feb 2009, 19:45 · follows Dan'l Danehy-Oakes* Neat shirt! Aw, I saw that they were playing in SF not long ago and gave it a miss due to baby-related schedule compression...but now I think I might have to make sure I catch them next time. On Fri Feb 13 10:19 , "Son of Witz" sent: > All right, I warned ya I'd be pimping this when the time was right. > Finally, the band has their webstore up. > > http://www.orangetulipconspiracy.com/store.php > > My Monomachy illustration of the Avern Duel, for the band Orange Tulip Conspiracy. > > Here's a much more detailed picture: > http://www.butcherbaker.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/monomachy_otc_prev.jpg > > > My intent was to make it look like a medieval woodcut. I don't go for today's > photoshoppy SF illustration, so I'm trying to keep it old school for The Book of > the New Sun illustrations I've been developing. This is the first thing that is > actually a finished work of art. Of course, I have my qualms about some aspects, > but, hey, it is what it is, and it's printed...and available. > > The band is really good. The album is strong and their live set is killer. Check > out the mp3s and videos. Those aware of Estradasphere or Secret Chiefs 3 should > take note, because they share players. > > anyway, there's my shameless plug. > ~SonOfWitz > > > _______________________________________________ --- ### Son of Witz *13 Feb 2009, 20:18 · follows Allan Anderson* Thanks Dan'l, Allan. I don't want to bore anyone with thanks any time someone makes a compliment, but I don't like to be rude and ignore such, either. I'm well familiar with baby-related schedule compression and shows. Got a second kid on the way. That show was really good. I figure they'll only get better. They're trying to get another album out this year, the first has been selling better than anyone expected. Still small potatoes compared to, I dunnoh, I suppose Stu's albums, but people are digging it. I told Jason Schimmel, the guitarist/composer, he should read BotNS, and will probably try to do some more BotNS stuff for him. He ought to like the words. He almost called the band Catafalque, which is in New or Long Sun. The Secret Chiefs composer, Trey, opened up Shadow at random and saw one of his upcoming song titles on the page, Septentrion. Now hopefully he'll read the copies I gave him for Christmas. ~witz > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Anderson [mailto:rubel at goosemoon.org] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:45 AM > To: urth at urth.net > Subject: Re: (urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt > > Neat shirt! Aw, I saw that they were playing in SF not long ago and gave it a > miss due to baby-related schedule compression...but now I think I might have to > make sure I catch them next time. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [mailto:danldo at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:49 AM --- ### Allan Anderson *14 Feb 2009, 00:13 · follows Son of Witz* While we're semi-off-topic and talking about music, I thought I'd mention that Juana Molina is playing at the Great American Music Hall in SF tonight: http://www.myspace.com/juanamolina I bring her up partially in the sense of flying gleefully off topic from Wolfe's work, but also because she's an Argentine who evokes a serious sense of weird, alien, and transcendent. I'm sure not everyone reacts this way, but I love it when I find music and writing which take me on journeys to similar places. On Fri Feb 13 12:18 , "Son of Witz" sent: > Thanks Dan'l, Allan. > I don't want to bore anyone with thanks any time someone makes a compliment, but I don't like to be rude and ignore such, either. > I'm well familiar with baby-related schedule compression and shows. > Got a second kid on the way. That show was really good. I figure they'll only > get better. > They're trying to get another album out this year, the first has been selling > better than anyone expected. Still small potatoes compared to, I dunnoh, I > suppose Stu's albums, but people are digging it. > > I told Jason Schimmel, the guitarist/composer, he should read BotNS, and will > probably try to do some more BotNS stuff for him. He ought to like the words. He > almost called the band Catafalque, which is in New or Long Sun. The Secret > Chiefs composer, Trey, opened up Shadow at random and saw one of his upcoming > song titles on the page, Septentrion. Now hopefully he'll read the copies I gave > him for Christmas. > > ~witz >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Allan Anderson [rubel at goosemoon.org] >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:45 AM >> To: urth at urth.net >> Subject: Re: (urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt >> >> Neat shirt! Aw, I saw that they were playing in SF not long ago and gave it a >> miss due to baby-related schedule compression...but now I think I might have to >> make sure I catch them next time. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [danldo at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:49 AM --- ### Son of Witz *14 Feb 2009, 00:25 · follows Allan Anderson* > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Anderson [mailto:rubel at goosemoon.org] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 04:13 PM > To: 'The Urth Mailing List' > Subject: Re: (urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt > > While we're semi-off-topic and talking about music, I thought I'd mention that > Juana Molina is playing at the Great American Music Hall in SF tonight: > http://www.myspace.com/juanamolina > > I bring her up partially in the sense of flying gleefully off topic from Wolfe's > work, but also because she's an Argentine who evokes a serious sense of weird, > alien, and transcendent. I'm sure not everyone reacts this way, but I love it > when I find music and writing which take me on journeys to similar places. Ooh. I like. thanks. cant make the show though. > On Fri Feb 13 12:18 , "Son of Witz" sent: >> Thanks Dan'l, Allan. >> I don't want to bore anyone with thanks any time someone makes a compliment, but >> I don't like to be rude and ignore such, either. >> >> I'm well familiar with baby-related schedule compression and shows. >> Got a second kid on the way. That show was really good. I figure they'll only >> get better. >> They're trying to get another album out this year, the first has been selling >> better than anyone expected. Still small potatoes compared to, I dunnoh, I >> suppose Stu's albums, but people are digging it. >> >> I told Jason Schimmel, the guitarist/composer, he should read BotNS, and will >> probably try to do some more BotNS stuff for him. He ought to like the words. He >> almost called the band Catafalque, which is in New or Long Sun. The Secret >> Chiefs composer, Trey, opened up Shadow at random and saw one of his upcoming >> song titles on the page, Septentrion. Now hopefully he'll read the copies I gave >> him for Christmas. >> >> ~witz >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Allan Anderson [rubel at goosemoon.org] >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:45 AM >>> To: urth at urth.net >>> Subject: Re: (urth) Avern Duel Tee Shirt >>> >>> Neat shirt! Aw, I saw that they were playing in SF not long ago and gave it a >>> miss due to baby-related schedule compression...but now I think I might have to >>> make sure I catch them next time. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [danldo at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:49 AM --- ### Jeff Wilson *14 Feb 2009, 08:04 · in reply to Son of Witz* > Son of Witz wrote: > All right, I warned ya I'd be pimping this when the time was right. > Finally, the band has their webstore up. > > http://www.orangetulipconspiracy.com/store.php > > My Monomachy illustration of the Avern Duel, for the band Orange Tulip Conspiracy. > > Here's a much more detailed picture: > http://www.butcherbaker.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/monomachy_otc_prev.jpg Very spiffy illustration, Witz! I don't recognize the silhouette in front of the sun? ``` Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson > ``` --- ### Son of Witz *14 Feb 2009, 17:11 · in reply to Jeff Wilson* > On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote: > > Very spiffy illustration, Witz! > > I don't recognize the silhouette in front of the sun? thanks. during that scene, the shield wall of Nessus is visible, and has climbed almost half across the sun. something like that. It's still a stretch away from the sanquinary field so I didn't make it tower over them. Those little curved raised sections in the silhouette of the wall were my lame first take on a little detail where wall sections met. I realize at each section there should be a bartizan (is that the right word) or turrets. I wasn't sure how "castle" to make it. I'd be open to suggestions about that detail, since I've been sketching Nessus and Citadel landscapes. I'm now more inclined to put a spiky turret on them. I'm also unsure about the Sun's radiant lines. I didn't think, with my one color limitation, that it would register as a sun without them, but the lines probably make the sun look too healthy and strong. It's really challenging trying to do something that will adhere to the text. my own inspirations are much more sloppy. for laughs, here's a very sloppy recent inspiration, BANANA BARBARIAN: http://tinyurl.com/bxyggw ~witz --- ### Gwern Branwen *14 Feb 2009, 17:33 · in reply to Son of Witz* > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Son of Witz > wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote: >> Very spiffy illustration, Witz! >> >> I don't recognize the silhouette in front of the sun? > thanks. > during that scene, the shield wall of Nessus is visible, and has climbed > almost half across the sun. something like that. It's still a stretch away > from the sanquinary field so I didn't make it tower over them. Those little > curved raised sections in the silhouette of the wall were my lame first take > on a little detail where wall sections met. > I realize at each section there should be a bartizan (is that the right > word) or turrets. I wasn't sure how "castle" to make it. > I'd be open to suggestions about that detail, since I've been sketching > Nessus and Citadel landscapes. I'm now more inclined to put a spiky turret > on them. > > I'm also unsure about the Sun's radiant lines. I didn't think, with my one > color limitation, that it would register as a sun without them, but the > lines probably make the sun look too healthy and strong. > ~witz Perhaps you could add plague spots/disease spots? Like sunspots. (Although maybe shading is not doable for the t-shirt and just dark spots don't convey the sickliness.) ``` gwern ``` --- ### Jeff Wilson *14 Feb 2009, 17:41 · in reply to Gwern Branwen* > Gwern Branwen wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Son of Witz > wrote: >> I'm also unsure about the Sun's radiant lines. I didn't think, with my one >> color limitation, that it would register as a sun without them, but the >> lines probably make the sun look too healthy and strong. >> ~witz > Perhaps you could add plague spots/disease spots? Like sunspots. > > (Although maybe shading is not doable for the t-shirt and just dark > spots don't convey the sickliness.) depicting the sun with an unhappy or afflicted face would be period for a woodcut, but spooky clouds partially obscuring the disk of the sun is also a possibility ``` Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson > ``` ---