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  "thread": {
    "id": 5363,
    "subject": "Seawrack/Babbie",
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    "first": "2009-03-17T11:23:51+00:00",
    "last": "2009-03-17T11:23:51+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<78918eac0903170423s2fc7527bo35232ff2a1d78a17@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Scott Wowra",
        "address": "swowra at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2009-03-17T11:23:51+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Seawrack/Babbie",
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          "text": "Sorry I haven't figured out how to reply to a thread, I'm still creating new\nones instead.\n\nRe: Unpronouncable Seawrack:\n\nSome relevant passages.\n\nOn page 148:\n\n\"...the truth is that her name, which was no word of the Common Tongue,\nbaffled\nme, and that Seawrack was near to it in sound and seemed to suit her very\nwell.\"\n\nI guess you could say that \"no word of the Common Tongue\" means an alien\nlanguage,\nor it simply means an archaic name taken from a very old language. Either\nway, Horn\ncan't pronounce it properly.\n\nPage 149:\n\n\"She smiled, It was if a child had smiled, and by smiling had made her face\ntransparent, so that I could see the woman she would someday be and had\nalways\nbeen, the woman who stands behind all women and stands behind even Kypris,\nThelxiepeia, and Echidna. If that woman has a name I do not know it;\n\"Seawrack\"\nis as good a name as any.\"\n\nThe three Long Sun Gods are linked to Greek mythology:\n\nKypris = Aphrodite, born of sea foam\nThelxiepeia = One of the sirens in the Odyssey according to Tzetzes\nEchidna = Mother of all Monsters, head of a nymph and body of a serpent\n\nSo, I think that Seawrack is a Common Tongue translation of an Ancient Greek\nname for\n\"a woman who stands behind all women,\" probably the Great Mother who shows\nup\nin the Soldier series. I see parallels between Short Sun and the Odyssey,\nso will dig around more when I can.\n\nRe: One Arm\n\nThe Babbie evidence appears at the top of page 155, where Seawrack is\npetting\nBabbie's head:\n\n\"As her left hand stroked it, I noticed dried blood among the folds\nof skin on the stump that had been her left arm, and understood why she had\nbeen\nso afraid of Babbie, and whose blood had stained the deck of the bow.\""
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