{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5369", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5369, "subject": "Guns ad nauseum", "messages": 8, "voices": 4, "first": "2009-03-18T18:27:10+00:00", "last": "2009-03-19T15:05:40+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<49C13CFE.2090809@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2009-03-18T18:27:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Guns ad nauseum", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Guns are stolen all the time. Gun collectors have to lock up their stuff, and even then they get hit. I know someone whose neighbor bashed a hole in his wall to do it. He wasn't home." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 6\nDate: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:17:07 -0400 (EDT)\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nSubject: Re: (urth) The Politics Of Gene Wolfe\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nMessage-ID: <14217.67.142.130.35.1237400227.squirrel at brunians.org>\nContent-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1\n\n\nOf course criminals, by definition, aren't very bright, but why would one\nchoose to break into a house where one knew that the residents were armed?\nEven if you went with overwhelming force, you have to assume that at least\none or two of you are going to die.\n\nIf they go when he is not there, I guess I am assuming that he stores his\nweapons properly when he is not home. So what do the kiddies do if they\nare not professional safecrackers (there are almost none of these around\nanymore)? Bring a forklift and a flatbed trailer?\n\n\n------------------------------" } ] }, { "message_id": "<8020.67.142.130.35.1237401630.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-03-18T18:40:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Guns ad nauseum", "in_reply_to": "<49C13CFE.2090809@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, well, if you are going to be living in the city, you have to\nsafegaurd your property. If that means a walk-in gun safe built into the\nhouse, that is what it means.\n\nAll sorts of things are stolen all the time. That is too bad, but as long\nas my things aren't stolen, I don't get too worked up about it.\n\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Guns are stolen all the time. Gun collectors have to lock up their stuff,\nand even then they get hit. I know someone whose neighbor bashed a hole in\nhis wall to do it. He wasn't home.\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 6\nDate: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:17:07 -0400 (EDT)\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nSubject: Re: (urth) The Politics Of Gene Wolfe\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nMessage-ID: <14217.67.142.130.35.1237400227.squirrel at brunians.org>\nContent-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1\n\n\nOf course criminals, by definition, aren't very bright, but why would one\nchoose to break into a house where one knew that the residents were armed?\nEven if you went with overwhelming force, you have to assume that at least\none or two of you are going to die.\n\nIf they go when he is not there, I guess I am assuming that he stores his\nweapons properly when he is not home. So what do the kiddies do if they\nare not professional safecrackers (there are almost none of these around\nanymore)? Bring a forklift and a flatbed trailer?\n\n\n------------------------------\n\n\n\n---\navast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.\nVirus Database (VPS): 090317-0, 03/17/2009\nTested on: 3/18/2009 2:27:11 PM\navast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software.\nhttp://www.avast.com\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<49C23AA1.2080605@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2009-03-19T12:29:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Guns ad nauseum", "in_reply_to": "<49C13CFE.2090809@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "David Stockhoff wrote:\nGuns are stolen all the time. Gun collectors have to lock up their \nstuff, and even then they get hit. I know someone whose neighbor bashed \na hole in his wall to do it. He wasn't home." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This is much preferable to having people break-in while you are at home, \n so I'd call it a successful deterrence unless it was somehow \nestablished that the marginal desire to steal the gun motivated the \ndecision to break in at all." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2958.67.142.130.34.1237465949.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-03-19T12:32:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Guns ad nauseum", "in_reply_to": "<49C23AA1.2080605@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "David Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Guns are stolen all the time. Gun collectors have to lock up their\nstuff, and even then they get hit. I know someone whose neighbor bashed\na hole in his wall to do it. He wasn't home." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "This is much preferable to having people break-in while you are at home,\n so I'd call it a successful deterrence unless it was somehow\nestablished that the marginal desire to steal the gun motivated the\ndecision to break in at all." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A decent gunsafe, structurally attached to the house, is not so very\nexpensive, especially when you consider how much cash value even a small\ngun collection can run to.\n\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "<49C244CB.2030704@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2009-03-19T13:12:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Guns ad nauseum", "in_reply_to": "<2958.67.142.130.34.1237465949.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nDavid Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Guns are stolen all the time. Gun collectors have to lock up their\nstuff, and even then they get hit. I know someone whose neighbor bashed\na hole in his wall to do it. He wasn't home." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This is much preferable to having people break-in while you are at home,\n so I'd call it a successful deterrence unless it was somehow\nestablished that the marginal desire to steal the gun motivated the\ndecision to break in at all." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "A decent gunsafe, structurally attached to the house, is not so very\nexpensive, especially when you consider how much cash value even a small\ngun collection can run to." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree, but I don't see how that addresses my comment." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<49C255C9.2000901@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2009-03-19T14:25:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Guns ad nauseum", "in_reply_to": "<49C244CB.2030704@io.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Right, that was the point. Guns, iPods, laptops, cameras, cell phones, \nGPS units, and cash must be 90% of what people steal from homes and \ncars. Of course, one can assume any home has at least 1 of these, but if \none knows for sure, well ... ------------------------------ Message: 3 \nDate: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:29:21 -0500 From: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) Guns ad nauseum To: The Urth Mailing List \n Message-ID: <49C23AA1.2080605 at io.com> \nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed David " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Stockhoff wrote:\nGuns are stolen all the time. Gun collectors have to lock up their \nstuff, and even then they get hit. I know someone whose neighbor bashed \na hole in his wall to do it. He wasn't home." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This is much preferable to having people break-in while you are at home, \n so I'd call it a successful deterrence unless it was somehow \nestablished that the marginal desire to steal the gun motivated the \ndecision to break in at all.\n\n-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson > \n------------------------------" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BF004A32B1948C39BB7D92186BE76E6@eMachinePC>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-03-19T14:35:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Guns ad nauseum", "in_reply_to": "<49C255C9.2000901@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Right, that was the point. Guns, iPods, laptops, cameras, cell phones, GPS \nunits, and cash must be 90% of what people steal from homes and cars. Of \ncourse, one can assume any home has at least 1 of these, but if one knows \nfor sure, well ..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If someone truly believes that having a firearm in the house makes them a \ntarget for robbery, then they should put a little sign in their window: \n\"This house is a gun free zone.\"\n\nJ " } ] }, { "message_id": "<8560.67.142.130.33.1237475140.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-03-19T15:05:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Guns ad nauseum", "in_reply_to": "<49C244CB.2030704@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "brunians at brunians.org wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "David Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Guns are stolen all the time. Gun collectors have to lock up their\nstuff, and even then they get hit. I know someone whose neighbor\nbashed\na hole in his wall to do it. He wasn't home." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "This is much preferable to having people break-in while you are at\nhome, so I'd call it a successful deterrence unless it was somehow\nestablished that the marginal desire to steal the gun motivated the\ndecision to break in at all." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "A decent gunsafe, structurally attached to the house, is not so very\nexpensive, especially when you consider how much cash value even a small\ngun collection can run to." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I agree, but I don't see how that addresses my comment." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It doesn't. I am in total agreement with your comment.\n\n\n\n." } ] } ] }