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I've been really\nfocused on Krait's secret this read through, and some things have come\ncrashing in on me.\n\nBear with me. I have forgotten much of what happens, detail wise, in the\nrest of Green's Jungles and RttW, so there is much to destroy my current\nthinking.\n\nFor a long time, I've assumed the secret was some variation on the Golden\nRule, as some other do as well. Two big problems with that: That isn't\nmuch of a threat to have as a secret, as it's not a very plausible thing for\nhumanity to actualize.\n\nThe variation on that is not Love thy neighbor (no pun intended, although\nnow that I think of it....) but Love thy Enemy...enemy being Inhumi. We see\nthat Horn's love for Krait changes Krait. There is something there. But\ntoday, the following occured to me.\n\n\n1) Isn't there something about how breeding for Inhumi has to take place on\ngreen? Isn't that at least implied?\n\n2) The 'civilization' of the Inhumi is on green\n\n3) They require human slaves and food on Green to continue\n\n4) Human slaves are only possible by tricking people on a lander (either\nfrom the Whorl or by taking them from Blue, which seems to have happened\nmore than just in Pajarocu).\n\nSO: If you destroy all the landers, the breeding/slave cycle would be\nbroken (espcially if you are one of those who think they lie about\nConjunction and only get to Blue on Landers). That is something that IS in\nthe power of humans, but would be difficult to accomplish because so many\npeople are still interested in trying to get back to the Whorl. (stuck to\nthe past)\n\n\nWhat is Silks last action in the story? GOING BACK TO THE WHORL, and THE\nWHORL LEAVES. There will be no more landers going to Green. There will be\nno more landers coming from the whorl to green or from blue to green. This\nis a major change for the Inhumi. They will shortly have no more human\nslaves on Green, and no way to get them there at all. They will devolve.\n\nAlso, this, to me, ties into the Sewer scene, which, for me at least, is\nindicated to be a huge clue for the secret. (Neighbor: No, we are trying\nto show you how to save yourselves\") When he clears out the sewers, the Old\nCannibal makes a point of saying \"It's what's past\"...\"You see that, don't\nyou? It's the past holding on.\" This made me think of the Whorl. People\nget on Landers to go back to the whorl, because that is the past holding\non.\n\nHorn clears the sewers. Silk removes the Whorl. Both are reflective\nsymbolic actions, of clearing out the past, which is what the neighbors were\ntrying to show Horn as the way to save humanity.\n\nWell? I haven't seen this discussed ont he board in these terms, but on\nthat I could be wildly wrong. Certainly, to me, it is a big reason why Silk\ntaking the Whorl out of the system (and I now DO think it was Silk, with the\nbit of Pas in him, that makes the Whorl leave the system) now makes a hell\nof a lot of sense." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2009-03-26T20:47:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory", "in_reply_to": "<273409710903261341i198acd9fub1570504ae442f2a@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think it makes a lot of sense, even if there are not other Landers flying from Blue to Green ala Pajarocu.\n\nLove how you connected it to the sewer clearing.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Jordon Flato [mailto:jordonflato at gmail.com]\nSent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 01:41 PM\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: (urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory\n\nOk, so I'm re-reading SS now, and have just finished Incanto's story of the\nSewer's on Green (at dinner with the Inclinto family). I've been really\nfocused on Krait's secret this read through, and some things have come\ncrashing in on me.\n\nBear with me. I have forgotten much of what happens, detail wise, in the\nrest of Green's Jungles and RttW, so there is much to destroy my current\nthinking.\n\nFor a long time, I've assumed the secret was some variation on the Golden\nRule, as some other do as well. Two big problems with that: That isn't\nmuch of a threat to have as a secret, as it's not a very plausible thing for\nhumanity to actualize.\n\nThe variation on that is not Love thy neighbor (no pun intended, although\nnow that I think of it....) but Love thy Enemy...enemy being Inhumi. We see\nthat Horn's love for Krait changes Krait. There is something there. But\ntoday, the following occured to me.\n\n\n1) Isn't there something about how breeding for Inhumi has to take place on\ngreen? Isn't that at least implied?\n\n2) The 'civilization' of the Inhumi is on green\n\n3) They require human slaves and food on Green to continue\n\n4) Human slaves are only possible by tricking people on a lander (either\nfrom the Whorl or by taking them from Blue, which seems to have happened\nmore than just in Pajarocu).\n\nSO: If you destroy all the landers, the breeding/slave cycle would be\nbroken (espcially if you are one of those who think they lie about\nConjunction and only get to Blue on Landers). That is something that IS in\nthe power of humans, but would be difficult to accomplish because so many\npeople are still interested in trying to get back to the Whorl. (stuck to\nthe past)\n\n\nWhat is Silks last action in the story? GOING BACK TO THE WHORL, and THE\nWHORL LEAVES. There will be no more landers going to Green. There will be\nno more landers coming from the whorl to green or from blue to green. This\nis a major change for the Inhumi. They will shortly have no more human\nslaves on Green, and no way to get them there at all. They will devolve.\n\nAlso, this, to me, ties into the Sewer scene, which, for me at least, is\nindicated to be a huge clue for the secret. (Neighbor: No, we are trying\nto show you how to save yourselves\") When he clears out the sewers, the Old\nCannibal makes a point of saying \"It's what's past\"...\"You see that, don't\nyou? It's the past holding on.\" This made me think of the Whorl. People\nget on Landers to go back to the whorl, because that is the past holding\non.\n\nHorn clears the sewers. Silk removes the Whorl. Both are reflective\nsymbolic actions, of clearing out the past, which is what the neighbors were\ntrying to show Horn as the way to save humanity.\n\nWell? I haven't seen this discussed ont he board in these terms, but on\nthat I could be wildly wrong. Certainly, to me, it is a big reason why Silk\ntaking the Whorl out of the system (and I now DO think it was Silk, with the\nbit of Pas in him, that makes the Whorl leave the system) now makes a hell\nof a lot of sense." } ] }, { "message_id": "<49CBED2F.3000902@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2009-03-26T21:01:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Someone commented here recently that the \"secret\" was that the inhumi can feed and enslave only because humans kill and enslave one another. They can only do it because they feed on creatures that permit them to continue doing it by making them like themselves. I find this convincing.\n\nThat is, according to my \"mythic\" theory, the same as saying that demons are only evil because humans do evil. It's a fairly subtle response to the mythology of demons and the work of Satan. Demons, and inhumi, are morally a symbolic extension of humans' vast capacity for both good and evil.\n\nAs for the rest of your theory, it seems to make sense." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 4\nDate: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:41:47 -0700\nFrom: Jordon Flato \nSubject: (urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nMessage-ID:\n\t<273409710903261341i198acd9fub1570504ae442f2a at mail.gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n\nOk, so I'm re-reading SS now, and have just finished Incanto's story of the\nSewer's on Green (at dinner with the Inclinto family). I've been really\nfocused on Krait's secret this read through, and some things have come\ncrashing in on me.\n\nBear with me. I have forgotten much of what happens, detail wise, in the\nrest of Green's Jungles and RttW, so there is much to destroy my current\nthinking.\n\nFor a long time, I've assumed the secret was some variation on the Golden\nRule, as some other do as well. Two big problems with that: That isn't\nmuch of a threat to have as a secret, as it's not a very plausible thing for\nhumanity to actualize.\n\nThe variation on that is not Love thy neighbor (no pun intended, although\nnow that I think of it....) but Love thy Enemy...enemy being Inhumi. We see\nthat Horn's love for Krait changes Krait. There is something there. But\ntoday, the following occured to me." } ] }, { "message_id": "<273409710903261407o749f979ax9ca4aefadce0cc91@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Jordon Flato", "address": "jordonflato at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-03-26T21:07:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory", "in_reply_to": "<49CBED2F.3000902@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yeah, I have that thought as well, in terms of humans not killing and\nenslaving each other. There can be no doubt that that is a big part of the\nthematic exploration of the human/inhumi relationship, and it may indeed be\nthe secret. It is valid, and a part of the narrative, whether it's the\nsecret or not.\n\nThe things that lead me to think it might not be the secret are that it\nisn't something that is really possible. People have been trying to live\nthat way forever, and they don't. Horn telling everyone that they need to\nbe that way to stop the Inhumi may effect some, but it wouldn't change\nhumanity as a whole, although maybe it would. In any event, we ARE meant to\ncome to that conclusion about Humans and Inhumi, the same way we are meant\nto see the results of ACTUALLY loving one's enemy, in the form of\nHorn/Krait.\n\nBut, I can't find the resonance in that idea in the Sewers. I'm certain\nthat the sewers are meant to be an enormous clue in the Secret, about how\nhumanity can save itself. I could be wrong, but the neighbors comment seems\nto support that.\n\nEven if it isn't the secret, the fact that green will no longer have humans\nonce the Whorl is gone, and the resonance with the Sewer is all new stuff to\nme, and makes this read through very interesting." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:01 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nSomeone commented here recently that the \"secret\" was that the inhumi can\nfeed and enslave only because humans kill and enslave one another. They can\nonly do it because they feed on creatures that permit them to continue doing\nit by making them like themselves. I find this convincing.\n\nThat is, according to my \"mythic\" theory, the same as saying that demons\nare only evil because humans do evil. It's a fairly subtle response to the\nmythology of demons and the work of Satan. Demons, and inhumi, are morally a\nsymbolic extension of humans' vast capacity for both good and evil.\n\nAs for the rest of your theory, it seems to make sense.\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 4\nDate: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:41:47 -0700\nFrom: Jordon Flato \nSubject: (urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nMessage-ID:\n <273409710903261341i198acd9fub1570504ae442f2a at mail.gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n\nOk, so I'm re-reading SS now, and have just finished Incanto's story of the\nSewer's on Green (at dinner with the Inclinto family). I've been really\nfocused on Krait's secret this read through, and some things have come\ncrashing in on me.\n\nBear with me. I have forgotten much of what happens, detail wise, in the\nrest of Green's Jungles and RttW, so there is much to destroy my current\nthinking.\n\nFor a long time, I've assumed the secret was some variation on the Golden\nRule, as some other do as well. Two big problems with that: That isn't\nmuch of a threat to have as a secret, as it's not a very plausible thing\nfor\nhumanity to actualize.\n\nThe variation on that is not Love thy neighbor (no pun intended, although\nnow that I think of it....) but Love thy Enemy...enemy being Inhumi. We\nsee\nthat Horn's love for Krait changes Krait. There is something there. But\ntoday, the following occured to me.\n\n\n\n---\navast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.\nVirus Database (VPS): 090325-0, 03/25/2009\nTested on: 3/26/2009 5:01:36 PM\navast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software.\nhttp://www.avast.com\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<21A6E8830D47461395FB0CE5C0D2E666@eMachinePC>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-03-26T21:55:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory", "in_reply_to": "<273409710903261341i198acd9fub1570504ae442f2a@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "1) Isn't there something about how breeding for\nInhumi has to take place on green? Isn't that at least implied?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Inhumi can only give birth and rear their young on Green." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "2) The 'civilization' of the Inhumi is on green" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "True. But it is merely a twisted *human* form of civilization." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "3) They require human slaves and food on Green to continue" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think they are capable of surviving by feeding on non-humans. The reason \nthey want humans on Green is so they will be more accessible to inhuma to \nensoul their children." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "4) Human slaves are only possible by tricking people on a lander\n(either from the Whorl or by taking them from Blue, which seems to\nhave happened more than just in Pajarocu).\nSO: If you destroy all the landers, the breeding/slave cycle would be \nbroken" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No. But it would be harder if landers stopped going to Green entirely. They \nstill have a population on Blue. If stopping the landers to Green were all \nit took, then I'm sure the Mainframe workers could have figured out a way to \nhave the monitors never schedule trips to Green anymore.\nAnyway, in RTTW Silk receives a word from Pas that it is not necessary for \nanymore Cargo to disembark the Whorl. He's going to stop making the Cargo \nmiserable there to force them to disembark. So mission accomplished there \nalready." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "(espcially if you are one of those who think they lie about\nConjunction and only get to Blue on Landers)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I just can't see a point to this beyond orneriness on Wolfe's part (not that \nthat is not reason enough). There's no actual evidence that I know of that \nthe inhumi don't cross that way. Some readers just find it implausible. But \nWolfe is criticized for this all the time.\nAnyway, I don't think the landers refuel at the Whorl, do they? So they will \neventually stop on their own.\n\n[snip]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Also, this, to me, ties into the Sewer scene, which, for me at least, is\nindicated to be a huge clue for the secret.\n(Neighbor: No, we are trying to show you how to save yourselves\")\nWhen he clears out the sewers, the Old Cannibal makes a point of\nsaying \"It's what's past\"...\"You see that, don't you? It's the past \nholding on.\"\nThis made me think of the Whorl. People get on Landers to go back\nto the whorl, because that is the past holding on." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hmmm...at first I thought you were going to suggest this quote means that \nUrth is Green or Blue. That would be a compelling reference, I suppose." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Horn clears the sewers. Silk removes the Whorl.\nBoth are reflective symbolic actions, of clearing out the past,\nwhich is what the neighbors were trying to show Horn as the\nway to save humanity.\n[snip]\nCertainly, to me, it is a big reason why Silk taking the Whorl\nout of the system now makes a\nhell of a lot of sense." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, I don't think I can prove this is NOT so. But I don't think the \nlanders are so pivotal as you theory implies." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "(and I now DO think it was Silk, with the bit of Pas in him,\nthat makes the Whorl leave the system)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh wait! You mean this makes you agree with me about this? Then, in that \ncase, it must be so!\n;-)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<273409710903261513o11377465w606fe50c19d3fd29@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Jordon Flato", "address": "jordonflato at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-03-26T22:13:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory", "in_reply_to": "<21A6E8830D47461395FB0CE5C0D2E666@eMachinePC>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Some great points here, but let me refine a bit:\n\nI'm not saying the inhumi would die, but would devolve back into some other\nform. Horn explicitly states that if he used the secret, the inhumi would\nbecome no more dangerous than crocodiles. So if there is no human\npopulation on Green, that might make it more difficult for them to get human\nfood.\n\n\n\nI think they are capable of surviving by feeding on non-humans. The reason" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "they want humans on Green is so they will be more accessible to inhuma to\nensoul their children." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This is what I'm saying! That is it, if there aren't humans on green, it's\nharder to ensoul their children. Although if Kraits mother took the soul\nfrom Sinew, then she must have gone back to Green during Conjunction, and\ntherefore you wouldn't need Landers at all, which kills part of my theory." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "No. But it would be harder if landers stopped going to Green entirely. They\nstill have a population on Blue. If stopping the landers to Green were all\nit took, then I'm sure the Mainframe workers could have figured out a way to\nhave the monitors never schedule trips to Green anymore.\nAnyway, in RTTW Silk receives a word from Pas that it is not necessary for\nanymore Cargo to disembark the Whorl. He's going to stop making the Cargo\nmiserable there to force them to disembark. So mission accomplished there\nalready." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't see why, if Mainframe knew about what was happening on Green, they\nwouldn't stop the Landers from going to Green anyway. I hardly see why, if\nthey knew what was going on, they wouldn't have stoped it already, so I\ndon't think that tracks." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I just can't see a point to this beyond orneriness on Wolfe's part (not\nthat that is not reason enough). There's no actual evidence that I know of\nthat the inhumi don't cross that way. Some readers just find it implausible.\nBut Wolfe is criticized for this all the time.\nAnyway, I don't think the landers refuel at the Whorl, do they? So they\nwill eventually stop on their own." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I DO think the Inhumi travel across the void during conjunction, so I'm\nactually not one of *those* people... And the bit about fuel is\nintriguing. I wonder how much fuel they have in them? Seems like the\nPajarocu lander has made at least several trips....\n\nHmmm...at first I thought you were going to suggest this quote means that" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Urth is Green or Blue. That would be a compelling reference, I suppose." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't buy the Urth as Green or Blue idea. I see far far too much against\nthe idea, as neat as it is. There is some resonance in the Sewer scene that\nI'm struggling with yet." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, I don't think I can prove this is NOT so. But I don't think the\nlanders are so pivotal as you theory implies." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I would agree. My post lunch excitement about this idea is fast draining.\nMust have been a curry buzz or something." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " (and I now DO think it was Silk, with the bit of Pas in him,\nthat makes the Whorl leave the system)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Oh wait! You mean this makes you agree with me about this? Then, in that\ncase, it must be so!\n;-)\n\n\nI do agree. I think Pas and Silk have bonded. Seriously bonded. And I\nthink removing the Whorl does remove the Past for those on Blue." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<273409710903270916g452ac519l70856da05caaa644@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Jordon Flato", "address": "jordonflato at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-03-27T16:16:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Secret of the Inhumi - Please Destroy My Theory", "in_reply_to": "<273409710903261513o11377465w606fe50c19d3fd29@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "After more reading, especially the scene where Krait confides his\nsecret to Horn, I've decided what I said has nothing at all to do with\nthe secret. The secret is clearly specifically tied to 'another\nreason they have to feed on humans'.\n\nDoesn't negate the significance of the Whorl leaving, or the\nresonances with the Sewers, but my ideas have no bearing at all on the\nSecret of the Inhumi.\n\nCarry on." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/26/09, Jordon Flato wrote:\nSome great points here, but let me refine a bit:\n\nI'm not saying the inhumi would die, but would devolve back into some other\nform. Horn explicitly states that if he used the secret, the inhumi would\nbecome no more dangerous than crocodiles. So if there is no human\npopulation on Green, that might make it more difficult for them to get\nhuman\nfood.\n\n\n\nI think they are capable of surviving by feeding on non-humans. The reason\nthey want humans on Green is so they will be more accessible to inhuma to\nensoul their children." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "This is what I'm saying! That is it, if there aren't humans on green, it's\nharder to ensoul their children. Although if Kraits mother took the soul\nfrom Sinew, then she must have gone back to Green during Conjunction, and\ntherefore you wouldn't need Landers at all, which kills part of my theory." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "No. But it would be harder if landers stopped going to Green entirely.\nThey\nstill have a population on Blue. If stopping the landers to Green were\nall\nit took, then I'm sure the Mainframe workers could have figured out a way\nto\nhave the monitors never schedule trips to Green anymore.\nAnyway, in RTTW Silk receives a word from Pas that it is not necessary\nfor\nanymore Cargo to disembark the Whorl. He's going to stop making the Cargo\nmiserable there to force them to disembark. So mission accomplished there\nalready." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I don't see why, if Mainframe knew about what was happening on Green, they\nwouldn't stop the Landers from going to Green anyway. I hardly see why, if\nthey knew what was going on, they wouldn't have stoped it already, so I\ndon't think that tracks." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I just can't see a point to this beyond orneriness on Wolfe's part (not\nthat that is not reason enough). There's no actual evidence that I know\nof\nthat the inhumi don't cross that way. Some readers just find it\nimplausible.\nBut Wolfe is criticized for this all the time.\nAnyway, I don't think the landers refuel at the Whorl, do they? So they\nwill eventually stop on their own." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I DO think the Inhumi travel across the void during conjunction, so I'm\nactually not one of *those* people... And the bit about fuel is\nintriguing. I wonder how much fuel they have in them? Seems like the\nPajarocu lander has made at least several trips....\n\nHmmm...at first I thought you were going to suggest this quote means that\nUrth is Green or Blue. That would be a compelling reference, I suppose." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I don't buy the Urth as Green or Blue idea. I see far far too much against\nthe idea, as neat as it is. There is some resonance in the Sewer scene\nthat\nI'm struggling with yet." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Well, I don't think I can prove this is NOT so. But I don't think the\nlanders are so pivotal as you theory implies." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I would agree. My post lunch excitement about this idea is fast draining.\nMust have been a curry buzz or something." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " (and I now DO think it was Silk, with the bit of Pas in him,\nthat makes the Whorl leave the system)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Oh wait! You mean this makes you agree with me about this? Then, in that\ncase, it must be so!\n;-)\n\n\nI do agree. I think Pas and Silk have bonded. Seriously bonded. And I\nthink removing the Whorl does remove the Past for those on Blue." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }