{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5404", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5404, "subject": "very strange", "messages": 6, "voices": 5, "first": "2009-04-11T21:57:53+00:00", "last": "2009-04-14T00:54:30+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<49E11261.2080203@colby.edu>", "from": { "name": "Fernando Q. Gouvea", "address": "fqgouvea at colby.edu" }, "date": "2009-04-11T21:57:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) very strange", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The latest issue of The Weekly Standard includes a review of a Hungarian \nnovel, first published in 2001 and now translated into English. The book \nis called \"Tranquility\". It seems, from what the review says, to be told \nmostly in flashback, looking back from the funeral of the narrator's \nmother. The narrator's name is Andor W?er. The review describes the \nnovel as characterized by \"sneaky, half-teasing indirection\". He adds \nthat \"The narrator mentions the most crucial events in passing, then \nreturns to them via circuitous routes full of speculative tangents, \nremembered dreams, stories within stories, and purposely disorienting \nchronological lurches....\"\n\nI couldn't help but think of \"Peace\", told mostly in flashback, by Alden \nWeer, by an author who is also fond of this sort of indirection...\n\nCoincidence, or alien intervention?\n\nFernando" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "==================================================================\nFernando Q. Gouvea\nCarter Professor of Mathematics\nColby College Editor, FOCUS\nMayflower Hill 5836 Editor, MAA Reviews\nWaterville, ME 04901\t\t\nfqgouvea at colby.edu\n\nStealing a rhinoceros should not be attempted lightly." } ] }, { "message_id": "<2516.67.142.130.12.1239488821.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-04-11T22:27:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) very strange", "in_reply_to": "<49E11261.2080203@colby.edu>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Was this edition of 'The Weekly Standard' dated 1 April?\n\nAnother possibility might be that some fool mistook a translation into the\nHungarian for an original work in Hungarian.\n\nA third possibility includes a tremendously lucrative lawsuit for Gene\nWolfe....\n\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The latest issue of The Weekly Standard includes a review of a Hungarian\nnovel, first published in 2001 and now translated into English. The book\nis called \"Tranquility\". It seems, from what the review says, to be told\nmostly in flashback, looking back from the funeral of the narrator's\nmother. The narrator's name is Andor W?er. The review describes the\nnovel as characterized by \"sneaky, half-teasing indirection\". He adds\nthat \"The narrator mentions the most crucial events in passing, then\nreturns to them via circuitous routes full of speculative tangents,\nremembered dreams, stories within stories, and purposely disorienting\nchronological lurches....\"\n\nI couldn't help but think of \"Peace\", told mostly in flashback, by Alden\nWeer, by an author who is also fond of this sort of indirection...\n\nCoincidence, or alien intervention?\n\nFernando\n\n--\n==================================================================\nFernando Q. Gouvea\nCarter Professor of Mathematics\nColby College Editor, FOCUS\nMayflower Hill 5836 Editor, MAA Reviews\nWaterville, ME 04901\nfqgouvea at colby.edu\n\nStealing a rhinoceros should not be attempted lightly.\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-04-11T22:56:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) very strange", "in_reply_to": "<2516.67.142.130.12.1239488821.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM, wrote:\nWas this edition of 'The Weekly Standard' dated 1 April?\n\nAnother possibility might be that some fool mistook a translation into the\nHungarian for an original work in Hungarian.\n\nA third possibility includes a tremendously lucrative lawsuit for Gene\nWolfe...." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No. It was 9 April; recent enough I couldn't get to it through my library.\n\nBut looking through various reviews, it seems quite different from _Peace_; even the name comes from a different source, the Sea of Tranquility.\n\nhttp://www.complete-review.com/reviews/magyar/bartisa.htm\n\" Tranquility is narrated by a writer, Andor We?r, and is a novel about the three very damaged women in his life and their intertwined relationships. The novel begins with the funeral of his mother, whom he can finally lay to rest. For fifteen years they lived together in the same apartment that she refused to leave, for fifteen years he had to endure here questioning (\"Wherehaveyoubeenson?\") and general misanthropy.\n Andor's sister, Judit, was a very talented and dedicated violinist, a budding star who defected to the West as soon as she could -- to escape Mom more than Communism, defection offering a buffer that she hoped would keep her at a safe distance, so that she would not longer have to try to erase herself, as Bartis nicely has her try to do. Overbearing Mom was a star in her own right, a famous actress, but her career came to an abrupt halt as soon as her daughter betrayed the motherland.\"\nhttp://quarterlyconversation.com/tranquility-by-attila-bartis-review\n\"It’s an especially fitting ending to a book in which there is no light, no redemption, a novel filled with mental illness, madness, suicide, abortion, incest, violence, sex, and hate, a novel which slowly unfolds an exceptionally complex and sad and terrible history of possibly the most dysfunctional family ever: the Weers. The novel is an almost nonstop litany of human misery and degradation, and even when nothing terrible is explicitly or expositionally described, there are always inferences and suggestions in fact the passages where the awfulness is only tangentially present (as when a six-year-old is asked to sit on a convict?s lap) are among the worst and most uncomfortable in the book.\"\n\nhttp://www.rochester.edu/College/translation/threepercent/index.php?id=1595\n\"Plot summaries rarely do a book justice, but in short, this novel is about Andor Weer, a thirty-six-year-old writer who lives with his mother (a formerly gorgeous stage actress) who hasn’t left the house in fifteen years. She’s bitter, a bit deranged, and pretty aggressive, especially towards Andor’s girlfriends. The two of them are trapped in a incredibly wicked Oedipal mess. On top of this, Andor’s sister Judit defected from Hungary to pursue her music career (this defection brought about the downfall of Rebeka’s stage career), leading their mother to literally bury an casket with all of Judit’s things in the cemetery. \"\n\nThere *may* be a connection, but Weer isn't that uncommon a surname; and besides, I don't know that _Peace_ was translated into Hungarian (or that the author knows English)." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "<49E1ABE0.7020901@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2009-04-12T08:52:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) very strange", "in_reply_to": "<2516.67.142.130.12.1239488821.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nWas this edition of 'The Weekly Standard' dated 1 April?\n\nAnother possibility might be that some fool mistook a translation into the\nHungarian for an original work in Hungarian.\n\nA third possibility includes a tremendously lucrative lawsuit for Gene\nWolfe...." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "lucrative? a hungarian novelist?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<6865.67.142.130.18.1239536713.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-04-12T11:45:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) very strange", "in_reply_to": "<49E1ABE0.7020901@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm shutting up about this. It gets more bizarre the closer one looks at it.\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "brunians at brunians.org wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Was this edition of 'The Weekly Standard' dated 1 April?\n\nAnother possibility might be that some fool mistook a translation into\nthe\nHungarian for an original work in Hungarian.\n\nA third possibility includes a tremendously lucrative lawsuit for Gene\nWolfe...." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "lucrative? a hungarian novelist?\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<3E175E7B-1DD0-4881-A37E-C22DEF3CB135@comcast.net>", "from": { "name": "Steven", "address": "mcquaryq at comcast.net" }, "date": "2009-04-14T00:54:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) very strange", "in_reply_to": "<2516.67.142.130.12.1239488821.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 11, 2009, at 6:27 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nAnother possibility might be that some fool mistook a translation \ninto the\nHungarian for an original work in Hungarian." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "My vote goes here...\n\nSteven" } ] } ] }