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  "thread": {
    "id": 5409,
    "subject": "Urth Digest, Vol 56, Issue 34",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2009-04-15T15:47:35+00:00",
    "last": "2009-04-15T15:47:35+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<49E60197.9020702@verizon.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "David Stockhoff",
        "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net"
      },
      "date": "2009-04-15T15:47:35+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 56, Issue 34",
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          "text": "Well, there you go. I have never even heard of any of those but the Burroughs and the Heinlein (and Pinocchio). I don't know Ransom either, for that matter. I'll have to investigate.\n\nI always think of Burroughs when I read Cerberus---all those grotesque multi-armed clones. "
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          "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 7\nDate: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:05:12 -0500\nFrom: \"James Wynn\" <crushtv at gmail.com>\nSubject: Re: (urth) Weekly blog links\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" <urth at lists.urth.net>\nMessage-ID: <59876BEFC0B944658A78321287763F32 at eMachinePC>\nContent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=\"iso-8859-1\";\n\treply-type=response"
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          "text": "David Stockhoff:\nBut another likely factor is that BotNS was written with dozens,\nif not hundreds, of literary predecessors in mind, and fantasy\nand satire are rarely far apart. Urth's society is recognizable;\nthe Whorl's is not, or at least not so readily. And the later books' \nantecedents seems to lie less in Chesterton\nand Vance than in older myth. IMHO."
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          "text": "  \n\nWell, the older myths are certainly close to the surface in SS, as they are \nin LS. But for literary references, I recommend you read ER Burrough's \n\"Mars\" series and Lan Wright's \"The Last Hope of Earth\" (aka \"The Creeping \nShroud\"). Also, Wright's \"Pictures of Pavanne\" has some rather obvious \nhomages in LS/SS. I haven't read anything else by Wright, but it wouldn't \nsurprise me. Also, Dan'l recently identified Heinlein's \"Orphans of the Sky\" \nas an identifiable reference. \"Pinocchio\" is an important source. Yarboro's \n\"Hyacinths\" about about artists who dream stories for televised \nentertainment might have been on Wolfe's mind.  Fleming's \"Brazilian \nAdventure\" is a source for LS. I haven't re-read it since reading SS, but it \nwouldn't be unlikely since it is about a boat ride up the Amazon river.\n\nThere are almost certainly more. SS has an aroma of many secret flavorings \nwhich I cannot identify.\n\nJ.\n\n \n\n\n\n------------------------------"
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