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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5422, "subject": "Greenhouse Effect", "messages": 8, "voices": 6, "first": "2009-04-29T23:53:42+00:00", "last": "2009-04-30T17:35:49+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<000601c9c925$bb037a30$310a6e90$@com>", "from": { "name": "Brian Lovely", "address": "brian at studiobl.com" }, "date": "2009-04-29T23:53:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Greenhouse Effect", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On Blue's Waters, Chapter 10 \"The End\": \"I know places in the sea where\nthere are walls like those,\" Seawrack told me. Her voice was hushed.\n\"'Underwater' is what you say.\"\n\nThey've found an area with low curving walls of masonry. There are shards\nof broken glass around. Through one direction, the glass seems to intensify\nlight, through the other direction it blocks it. Sounds like handy stuff to\nmake a greenhouse from. There's also some talk about plant life inside and\noutside the circle and how it seems to be different ages.\n\n\nDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:46:49 -0400\nFrom: David Stockhoff \n\n***By the way, can you point me to the underwater greenhouses in the text? I\nmay have missed them." } ] }, { "message_id": "<273409710904291708l2b824cfbra798bcbe69a88eb4@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Jordon Flato", "address": "jordonflato at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-04-30T00:08:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Greenhouse Effect", "in_reply_to": "<000601c9c925$bb037a30$310a6e90$@com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Could a global flood also have put the structures underwater?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Brian Lovely wrote:\nOn Blue's Waters, Chapter 10 \"The End\": \"I know places in the sea where\nthere are walls like those,\" Seawrack told me. Her voice was hushed.\n\"'Underwater' is what you say.\"\n\nThey've found an area with low curving walls of masonry. There are shards\nof broken glass around. Through one direction, the glass seems to\nintensify\nlight, through the other direction it blocks it. Sounds like handy stuff\nto\nmake a greenhouse from. There's also some talk about plant life inside and\noutside the circle and how it seems to be different ages.\n\n\nDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:46:49 -0400\nFrom: David Stockhoff \n\n***By the way, can you point me to the underwater greenhouses in the text?\nI\nmay have missed them.\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-04-30T00:13:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Greenhouse Effect", "in_reply_to": "<273409710904291708l2b824cfbra798bcbe69a88eb4@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Jordon Flato wrote:\nCould a global flood also have put the structures underwater?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": ":)\n\nOr should I be reacting with horror instead at the possible\nresurrection of the topic I think you're hinting at..." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "<39ed084f0904292100h159d35afw5b08ca2e292d4fa@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Groves", "address": "matthewalangroves at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-04-30T04:00:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Greenhouse Effect", "in_reply_to": "<000601c9c925$bb037a30$310a6e90$@com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's chapter 8, at least in my book. But I don't think that one\nside of the glass blocks light. I suspect you may be thinking of\nCrowley's Engine Summer." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Brian Lovely wrote:\nOn Blue's Waters, Chapter 10 \"The End\": \"I know places in the sea where\nthere are walls like those,\" Seawrack told me. “Her voice was hushed.\n\"'Underwater' is what you say.\"\n\nThey've found an area with low curving walls of masonry. ?There are shards\nof broken glass around. ?Through one direction, the glass seems to intensify\nlight, through the other direction it blocks it. ?Sounds like handy stuff to\nmake a greenhouse from. ?There's also some talk about plant life inside and\noutside the circle and how it seems to be different ages.\n\n\nDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:46:49 -0400\nFrom: David Stockhoff \n\n***By the way, can you point me to the underwater greenhouses in the text” I\nmay have missed them." } ] }, { "message_id": "<273409710904300907i27cd059k668af5a80ddb0069@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Jordon Flato", "address": "jordonflato at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-04-30T16:07:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Greenhouse Effect", "in_reply_to": "<39ed084f0904292100h159d35afw5b08ca2e292d4fa@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Gwern,\nI actually don't at all believe that Blue is Urth. I know that's what your\nthinking! ;)\n\nBut, I think a global flood on two planets does indicate some sort of\n'pattern' to things....\n\nOn Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Matthew Groves wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Blue's Waters, Chapter 10 \"The End\": \"I know places in the sea where\nthere are walls like those,\" Seawrack told me. Her voice was hushed.\n\"'Underwater' is what you say.\"\n\nThey've found an area with low curving walls of masonry. There are\nshards\nof broken glass around. Through one direction, the glass seems to\nintensify\nlight, through the other direction it blocks it. Sounds like handy stuff\nto\nmake a greenhouse from. There's also some talk about plant life inside\nand\noutside the circle and how it seems to be different ages.\n\n\nDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:46:49 -0400\nFrom: David Stockhoff \n\n***By the way, can you point me to the underwater greenhouses in the\ntext? I\nmay have missed them." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<148674.66020.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-04-30T16:57:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Greenhouse Effect", "in_reply_to": "<273409710904300907i27cd059k668af5a80ddb0069@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Couldn't the pattern be that GW wrote these book and even he only had a finite number of themes and ideas? So stuff get's repeated and recycled...\nSacrilege?\n\nAlso, can we please restart the rumour that the big skeleton above Bas-Lag in Perdido Street Station is Abaia??????\n????? \nStuart\n\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Jordon Flato wrote:\nFrom: Jordon Flato \nSubject: Re: (urth) Greenhouse Effect\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 9:07 AM\n\nGwern,\nI actually don't at all believe that Blue is Urth. I know that's what your thinking! ;)\n\nBut, I think a global flood on two planets does indicate some sort of 'pattern' to things....\n\n\nOn Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Matthew Groves wrote:\n\nThat's chapter 8, at least in my book. ?But I don't think that one\n\nside of the glass blocks light. ?I suspect you may be thinking of\n\nCrowley's Engine Summer." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Brian Lovely wrote:\nOn Blue's Waters, Chapter 10 \"The End\": \"I know places in the sea where" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "there are walls like those,\" Seawrack told me. ?Her voice was hushed." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"'Underwater' is what you say.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "They've found an area with low curving walls of masonry. ?There are shards" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "of broken glass around. ?Through one direction, the glass seems to intensify" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "light, through the other direction it blocks it. ?Sounds like handy stuff to" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "make a greenhouse from. ?There's also some talk about plant life inside and" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "outside the circle and how it seems to be different ages." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:46:49 -0400" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: David Stockhoff " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "***By the way, can you point me to the underwater greenhouses in the text? I" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "may have missed them." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Urth Mailing List\n\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\n\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "<49F9E0BD.5080307@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2009-04-30T17:32:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Greenhouse Effect", "in_reply_to": "<148674.66020.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "ah! Thanks.\n\nSo these are also stone circles, literally." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:53:42 -0400\nFrom: \"Brian Lovely\" \nSubject: (urth) Greenhouse Effect\nTo: \nMessage-ID: <000601c9c925$bb037a30$310a6e90$@com>\nContent-Type: text/plain;\tcharset=\"us-ascii\"\n\nOn Blue's Waters, Chapter 10 \"The End\": \"I know places in the sea where\nthere are walls like those,\" Seawrack told me. Her voice was hushed.\n\"'Underwater' is what you say.\"\n\nThey've found an area with low curving walls of masonry. There are shards\nof broken glass around. Through one direction, the glass seems to intensify\nlight, through the other direction it blocks it. Sounds like handy stuff to\nmake a greenhouse from. There's also some talk about plant life inside and\noutside the circle and how it seems to be different ages.\n\n\nDate: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:46:49 -0400\nFrom: David Stockhoff \n\n***By the way, can you point me to the underwater greenhouses in the text? I\nmay have missed them.\n\n\n\n\n------------------------------" } ] }, { "message_id": "<49F9E175.8040600@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2009-04-30T17:35:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Greenhouse Effect", "in_reply_to": "<49F9E0BD.5080307@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The accusation, Sir, is that you believe Blue to Ushas---not that you believe it to be Urth.\n\nAnswer the question, heretic, or the squassations shall commence anew!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 9\nDate: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:07:41 -0700\nFrom: Jordon Flato \nSubject: Re: (urth) Greenhouse Effect\nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nMessage-ID:\n\t<273409710904300907i27cd059k668af5a80ddb0069 at mail.gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n\nGwern,\nI actually don't at all believe that Blue is Urth. I know that's what your\nthinking! ;) \n\nBut, I think a global flood on two planets does indicate some sort of\n'pattern' to things...." } ] } ] }