{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5425", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5425, "subject": "rajan, food and greenhouse", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2009-05-01T21:12:52+00:00", "last": "2009-05-02T00:45:02+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<670390.9805.qm@web58208.mail.re3.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2009-05-01T21:12:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) rajan, food and greenhouse", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "a few points. I feel some of us are complicating things, myself included. I believe the troubled Chenile is on Blue when Jahlee feeds on her drunk. She and Auk have been freed off camera by Silk, and Auk repairs the lander. Chenille's children have been killed and as in Long sun she is drunk with grief when Jahlee feeds on her. this has nothing to do with jahlee's mother and explains the lander at the end of rttw - the same one broken on green.\n\nmy theory of the tree and vine relationship is simple - the trees are tools of instant speciation by consumption and destructive hybridization. They eat and spit out hybrids based off the original food, killing the host in most cases. The island Horn falls into the pit on is made up of giant trees, but this is revealed in a different chapter with horror.\n\nThe vines were once plain vines. The essence of the trees they lived off of leeched some of that ability to interact with living matter to the lianas. The vines on the trees have not been introduced to human genetic matter yet and as such are still just vines. Generations that feast on humans become more human and are the sentient inhumi, who birth more inhumi.\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f0905011427l7f04fcf3gc51669a2b8b0f18f@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-01T21:27:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) rajan, food and greenhouse", "in_reply_to": "<670390.9805.qm@web58208.mail.re3.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This makes sense to me." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\n\na few points. I feel some of us are complicating things, myself included.\n I believe the troubled Chenile is on Blue when Jahlee feeds on her drunk.\n She and Auk have been freed off camera by Silk, and Auk repairs the lander.\n Chenille's children have been killed and as in Long sun she is drunk with\ngrief when Jahlee feeds on her. this has nothing to do with jahlee's mother\nand explains the lander at the end of rttw - the same one broken on green.\n\nmy theory of the tree and vine relationship is simple - the trees are tools\nof instant speciation by consumption and destructive hybridization. They\neat and spit out hybrids based off the original food, killing the host in\nmost cases. The island Horn falls into the pit on is made up of giant\ntrees, but this is revealed in a different chapter with horror.\n\nThe vines were once plain vines. The essence of the trees they lived off\nof leeched some of that ability to interact with living matter to the\nlianas. The vines on the trees have not been introduced to human genetic\nmatter yet and as such are still just vines. Generations that feast on\nhumans become more human and are the sentient inhumi, who birth more inhumi.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<521B12BA452848E981EAF37C14593A4F@eMachinePC>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-02T00:45:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) rajan, food and greenhouse", "in_reply_to": "<670390.9805.qm@web58208.mail.re3.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Marc, you know that I greatly appreciate your speculative attitude, but I \nhave significant problems with each of these." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I feel some of us are complicating things, myself included.\nI believe the troubled Chenile is on Blue when Jahlee feeds\non her drunk. She and Auk have been freed off camera by\nSilk, and Auk repairs the lander. Chenille's children have\nbeen killed and as in Long sun she is drunk with grief when\nJahlee feeds on her. this has nothing to do with jahlee's\nmother and explains the lander at the end of rttw -\nthe same one broken on green." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "1) There's no suggestion in the text that inhumi can absorb the souls of the \npeople they feed on. The souls are given to the children. Otherwise, we \nwould have expected Quetzal's personality to radically change throughout the \nstory as he fed on Teasle and others. Not to mention all the people Jahlee \nand Krait feed on. What does adding this extra bit of narrative gain you \nwhen you already have Chenille *on Green* available to have been fed on by \nan inhuma?\n\n2) There is no lander on camera at the end of RTTW. They are leaving for \nParjarocu with the assumption that there will be one there since the inhumi \nhave a system there for transporting people to Green. There are other inhumi \nin the Whorl so why can't they commandeer more landers to use between Blue \nand Green?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "the trees are tools of instant speciation by consumption and destructive \nhybridization." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Actually this is not *far* off from my own understanding of the scene of \nHorn's death. But if someone has the least difficulty accepting *my* \nrendition (Horn dies and is resurrected by the inhumi who accidentally led \nhim to his death) what would they make of the freely constructed mechanics \ntrees that generate new copies. Do you suppose there are any other examples \nof this process in the story?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The island Horn falls into the pit on is made up of giant trees,\nbut this is revealed in a different chapter with horror." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't remember this from the detail of your theory. I just went back and \nscanned it, and I still don't see it. Where is this revealed?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The vines were once plain vines.\nThe essence of the trees they lived off of leeched some of\nthat ability to interact with living matter to the lianas.\nThe vines on the trees have not been introduced to human\ngenetic matter yet and as such are still just vines.\nGenerations that feast on humans become more human\nand are the sentient inhumi, who birth more inhumi." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm confused. Didn't someone (Fava?) clearly state that the Rajan's \nstaff --made from a vine-- was an inhumi and that the Rajan conversed with \nit at times? Your explanation seems to suggest that the vines sort of \nNeighbors; that is, Neighbor-Vines in parallel to Horn being a Neighbor-man. \nHow do we get to vines being inhumi?\n\nJ.\n " } ] } ] }