{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5430", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5430, "subject": "AEG - Wally as angel = Inhumi?", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2009-05-07T16:47:33+00:00", "last": "2009-05-08T15:08:05+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Stephen Hoy", "address": "stephenhoy at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2009-05-07T16:47:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG - Wally as angel = Inhumi?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "During the banshee banter, Cassie remarks that she'll be \"going\nout with it\" (p64). This identifies Wally Rosenquist as one of\nthe 'sidh'. From various sources, we learn the sidh were widely\nperceived as fallen angels. The common folk referred to sidh\neuphemistically as Gray Neighbors, Good Neighbors, and other\ninnocuous names designed to avoid provoking these entities.\n\nTo reinforce this idea, note that Rosenquist as theatrical\nmoney-man is repeatedly called an angel:\n \"I've got this angel\" p55\n \"India's got an angel\" p60\n \"How long has India had this angel?\" p61\n From behind Ebony, Tabbi murmured, \"I thought she was bringing\nthe angel.\" p62\n \"Let's have a real standing 'O' for a real angel--Mr. Wallace\nRosenquist!\" p66\n \"our angel Wally Rosenquist\" p75\n\n\nNow look at the etymology of the name Rosenquist, a Norse\ndouble-nominative = rose + twig, which brings to mind both vines\nand propagation by graft. Think about this in conjunction with\nthe recent discussion of Neighbors and Inhumi,\nhaploid/diploid/quadriploid chromosomes, and trees & vines in the\nShort Sun. Some remarks in the first chapter about the advanced\nbiology of Woldercan led me to speculate that Wally may be a\nbiological creation, a grafted propagation of some sort. His name\nis a suggestive hint in line with this speculation. To draw the\nparallel closer, angels and Inhumi both fly.\n\nIn AEG, we're led to believe that Bill/Wally are one and the\nsame, but there are a few indications they may be two distinct\nentities, for example, Cassie saw Bill Reis/Wally Rosenquist in\nthe audience during the final performance of The Red Spot, but\nwhen questioned later, whoever it was that answered denied being\npresent. Maybe Wally is a propagation of Bill." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rebecca Bushong-Taylor", "address": "rebeccabt01 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-07T18:28:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG - Wally as angel = Inhumi?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "But what I want to know is, What happened to India Dempster?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Stephen Hoy wrote:\n During the banshee banter, Cassie remarks that she'll be \"going out with\nit\" (p64). This identifies Wally Rosenquist as one of the 'sidh'. From\nvarious sources, we learn the sidh were widely perceived as fallen\nangels. The common folk referred to sidh euphemistically as Gray Neighbors,\nGood Neighbors, and other innocuous names designed to avoid provoking these\nentities.\n\nTo reinforce this idea, note that Rosenquist as theatrical money-man\nis repeatedly called an angel:\n \"I've got this angel\" p55\n \"India's got an angel\" p60\n \"How long has India had this angel?\" p61\n From behind Ebony, Tabbi murmured, \"I thought she was bringing the\nangel.\" p62\n \"Let's have a real standing 'O' for a real angel--Mr. Wallace\nRosenquist!\" p66\n \"our angel Wally Rosenquist\" p75\n\nNow look at the etymology of the name Rosenquist, a Norse\ndouble-nominative = rose + twig, which brings to mind both vines and\npropagation by graft. Think about this in conjunction with the recent\ndiscussion of Neighbors and Inhumi, haploid/diploid/quadriploid chromosomes,\nand trees & vines in the Short Sun. Some remarks in the first\nchapter about the advanced biology of Woldercan led me to speculate that\nWally may be a biological creation, a grafted propagation of some sort. His\nname is a suggestive hint in line with this speculation. To draw the\nparallel closer, angels and Inhumi both fly.\n\nIn AEG, we're led to believe that Bill/Wally are one and the same, but\nthere are a few indications they may be two distinct entities, for example,\nCassie saw Bill Reis/Wally Rosenquist in the audience during the final\nperformance of The Red Spot, but when questioned later, whoever it was that\nanswered denied being present. Maybe Wally is a propagation of Bill.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew at calmeilles.co.uk", "address": "matthew at calmeilles.co.uk" }, "date": "2009-05-08T08:02:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG - Wally as angel = Inhumi?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "stephenhoy at yahoo.com wrote:\nDuring the banshee banter, Cassie remarks that she'll be \"going\nout with it\" (p64). This identifies Wally Rosenquist as one of\nthe 'sidh'. From various sources, we learn the sidh were widely\nperceived as fallen angels. The common folk referred to sidh\neuphemistically as Gray Neighbors, Good Neighbors, and other\ninnocuous names designed to avoid provoking these entities.\nTo reinforce this idea, note that Rosenquist as theatrical\nmoney-man is repeatedly called an angel:\n \"I've got this angel\" p55\n \"India's got an angel\" p60\n \"How long has India had this angel?\" p61\n From behind Ebony, Tabbi murmured, \"I thought she was bringing\nthe angel.\" p62\n \"Let's have a real standing 'O' for a real angel--Mr. Wallace\nRosenquist!\" p66\n \"our angel Wally Rosenquist\" p75" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's not obvious to me from your post if you know this or not, so please forgive me if I'm stating the stupidly obvious. Angel is the common accepted term for a theatrical financial backer so the usage cited is normal without need for further interpretation. http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/bimmanual/bim66601.htm\n\nGranted that this being Wolfe further interpretation at several levels is not just possible but almost obligatory. :)\n\nMatthew" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1B37C8F5306C443ABE62EC38FC87EA97@eMachinePC>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-08T15:08:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG - Wally as angel = Inhumi?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "stephenhoy at yahoo.com wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "During the banshee banter, Cassie remarks that she'll be \"going\nout with it\" (p64). This identifies Wally Rosenquist as one of\nthe 'sidh'. From various sources, we learn the sidh were widely\nperceived as fallen angels. The common folk referred to sidh\neuphemistically as Gray Neighbors, Good Neighbors, and other\ninnocuous names designed to avoid provoking these entities.\nTo reinforce this idea, note that Rosenquist as theatrical\nmoney-man is repeatedly called an angel:\n\"I've got this angel\" p55\n\"India's got an angel\" p60\n\"How long has India had this angel?\" p61\nFrom behind Ebony, Tabbi murmured, \"I thought she was bringing\nthe angel.\" p62\n\"Let's have a real standing 'O' for a real angel--Mr. Wallace\nRosenquist!\" p66\n\"our angel Wally Rosenquist\" p75" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It's not obvious to me from your post if you know this or not,\nso please forgive me if I'm stating the stupidly obvious.\nAngel is the common accepted term for a theatrical financial\nbacker so the usage cited is normal without need for further \ninterpretation.\nGranted that this being Wolfe further interpretation at several\nlevels is not just possible but almost obligatory. :)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "http://www.urth.org/whorlmap/quetzal.htm\nAt the link, above I detailed certain connections between inhumi and angels.\nKeep in mind that I've barely touched these articles since before reading \n\"The Book of the Short Sun\". As soon as I manage to reconnect with the site \nadmin, I'll try to correct/edit them.\nMind you, just because WR and the inhumi are both associated with angels \ndoes not make WR an alien posing as or replacing a human. However, given all \nthe similarities between inhumi and Annese, it shouldn't be ignored either.\nJ. " } ] } ] }