{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5451", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5451, "subject": "(no subject)", "messages": 15, "voices": 6, "first": "2009-05-20T21:34:46+00:00", "last": "2009-05-20T23:46:43+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<463726.37911.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-05-20T21:34:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nFrom: Stuart Hamm \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)\nTo: \"Jeff Wilson\" \nDate: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:33 PM\n\nI'm not sure I ever had credibility...certainly? not on this forum...but\n\nThe actors and producers and people who work on a TV show are payed up front for their work...maybe some back end $ for DVD sales...but are not payed? based on how many people actually watch the show!!\nWhen someone buys a CD at a store or online a % of that sale goes to the writer/musicians...that's the way we make money off the product. If it's shared or downloaded illegaly I lose the opportunity to make $ off my work.\nSure, if I download an episode of BSG Ron Moore may lose a few $...(but I'll buy the box set anyway..) but the lion's share of his earning have been payed already,,,regardless of whether 1 million or 25 million people watched that episode.\n\nNo one's gonna back me? Don't we all rush out and buy a first edition of GW's new books instead of\n downloading an illegal copy???\n\n??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nFrom: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<273409710905201437n5a7cd2d4r4cdd29f4e07240e5@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Jordon Flato", "address": "jordonflato at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-20T21:37:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<463726.37911.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No, I certainly back you. I'll admit to having downloaded some music, but\nall of it is rare imported stuff I can't find elsewhere.\n\nOne of my favorite bands, NoMeansNo is moving out of the CD pressing\nbusiness all together and looking at a Vinyl, MP3 distribution model from\nnow on. This will, in the long run, be great for artists, I think.\n\nBut yeah, Stuart, your description of the difference between Film/TV product\nand music piracy is well placed." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n\n\n -\\\\~S~//-\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\n Skype stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On *Wed, 5/20/09, Stuart Hamm * wrote:\n\nFrom: Stuart Hamm \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)\nTo: \"Jeff Wilson\" \nDate: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:33 PM\n\nI'm not sure I ever had credibility...certainly not on this forum...but\n\nThe actors and producers and people who work on a TV show are payed up\nfront for their work...maybe some back end $ for DVD sales...but are not\npayed based on how many people actually watch the show!!\nWhen someone buys a CD at a store or online a % of that sale goes to the\nwriter/musicians...that's the way we make money off the product. If it's\nshared or downloaded illegaly I lose the opportunity to make $ off my work.\nSure, if I download an episode of BSG Ron Moore may lose a few $...(but\nI'll buy the box set anyway..) but the lion's share of his earning have been\npayed already,,,regardless of whether 1 million or 25 million people watched\nthat episode.\n\nNo one's gonna back me? Don't we all rush out and buy a first edition of\nGW's new books instead of downloading an illegal copy???\n\n -\\\\~S~//-\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\n Skype stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On *Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Wilson * wrote:\n\nFrom: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2009-05-20T21:44:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<463726.37911.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 20, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n\nNo one's gonna back me? Don't we all rush out and buy a first \nedition of GW's new books instead of downloading an illegal copy???" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yeah.\n\nMy own position is that downloading media illegally is some-kind-of- \nbad (me, I still prefer to buy physical CDs and then rip them to \niTunes, so that I have unprotected files which I can then copy to \nwhatever music player I may have in the future that might not be an \niPod), but it's not exactly *theft*. Copyright infringement is not, \nin my mind, the same crime as, say, stealing your TV.\n\nI do not, however, think there's a one-to-one correspondence between \nlost sales and illegal downloads. That is, plenty of people download \nthings that they're idly curious about, but nowhere near enough \ninterested in to buy. Now, one can, quite correctly, make the point \nthat they SHOULDN'T OUGHTA BE USING IT then. Fair enough.\n\nBut mainly I was just bringing it up as a counterpoint to Brunians' \nabsolutist Property Rights statement, by pointing out that there are \nsome things which some people consider legitimate property rights, and \nothers do not.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<13349.67.142.130.43.1242855987.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-05-20T21:46:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<463726.37911.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think it is wrong. I just don't think that it is in any way similar to\nburglary, extortion, muggery, barratry etc etc.\n\nI have thought for a while that y'all are going to have to figure out\nanother paradigm as to how you extract your money from the market.\n\nYou know, Mozart only got paid for the shows that he personally put on.\nWhen other people produced his stuff in other cities, he got bupkis.\n\n\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nFrom: Stuart Hamm \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)\nTo: \"Jeff Wilson\" \nDate: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:33 PM\n\nI'm not sure I ever had credibility...certainly? not on this forum...but\n\nThe actors and producers and people who work on a TV show are payed up\nfront for their work...maybe some back end $ for DVD sales...but are not\npayed? based on how many people actually watch the show!!\nWhen someone buys a CD at a store or online a % of that sale goes to the\nwriter/musicians...that's the way we make money off the product. If it's\nshared or downloaded illegaly I lose the opportunity to make $ off my\nwork.\nSure, if I download an episode of BSG Ron Moore may lose a few $...(but\nI'll buy the box set anyway..) but the lion's share of his earning have\nbeen payed already,,,regardless of whether 1 million or 25 million people\nwatched that episode.\n\nNo one's gonna back me? Don't we all rush out and buy a first edition of\nGW's new books instead of\n downloading an illegal copy???\n\n??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nFrom: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<79D1875774674F15BF3680963032A9BB@eMachinePC>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-20T21:58:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<463726.37911.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "No one's gonna back me? Don't we all rush out and buy a first edition\nof GW's new books instead of downloading an illegal copy???" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You can download copies of Wolfe's books? I wish I had those.\n\nBut doesn't Wolfe get paid a % of every book you buy?\n\nAnd if not enough people buy the DVDs doesn't that eventually mean the \nactors won't be able to negotiate higher up-front pay in the future? Doesn't \nthe whole system of paying Ron Moore money up-front come from the \nexpectation that people will buy the DVDs rather than watch burned copies?\n\nLook, I think the RIAA goes a bit crazy over enforcing copyrights...trying \nto get coffee houses to pay every time somebody sings someone else's song. \nStill...what's good for the goose and all that.\n\nJ. " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4247.79814.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:04:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<13349.67.142.130.43.1242855987.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And look what happened to Mozart..\nHE DIED!!!\n\n??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org \nSubject: Re: (urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)\nTo: hammstu at sbcglobal.net, \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:46 PM\n\nI think it is wrong. I just don't think that it is in any way similar to\nburglary, extortion, muggery, barratry etc etc.\n\nI have thought for a while that y'all are going to have to figure out\nanother paradigm as to how you extract your money from the market.\n\nYou know, Mozart only got paid for the shows that he personally put on.\nWhen other people produced his stuff in other cities, he got bupkis.\n\n\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nFrom: Stuart Hamm \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)\nTo: \"Jeff Wilson\" \nDate: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:33 PM\n\nI'm not sure I ever had credibility...certainly? not on this\nforum...but\n\nThe actors and producers and people who work on a TV show are payed up\nfront for their work...maybe some back end $ for DVD sales...but are not\npayed? based on how many people actually watch the show!!\nWhen someone buys a CD at a store or online a % of that sale goes to the\nwriter/musicians...that's the way we make money off the product. If\nit's\nshared or downloaded illegaly I lose the opportunity to make $ off my\nwork.\nSure, if I download an episode of BSG Ron Moore may lose a few $...(but\nI'll buy the box set anyway..) but the lion's share of his earning\nhave\nbeen payed already,,,regardless of whether 1 million or 25 million people\nwatched that episode.\n\nNo one's gonna back me? Don't we all rush out and buy a first\nedition of\nGW's new books instead of\n downloading an illegal copy???\n\n??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nFrom: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<10049.67.142.130.43.1242857572.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:12:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<4247.79814.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Are there more dead people or living people?\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "And look what happened to Mozart..\nHE DIED!!!\n\n??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org \nSubject: Re: (urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)\nTo: hammstu at sbcglobal.net, \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:46 PM\n\nI think it is wrong. I just don't think that it is in any way similar to\nburglary, extortion, muggery, barratry etc etc.\n\nI have thought for a while that y'all are going to have to figure out\nanother paradigm as to how you extract your money from the market.\n\nYou know, Mozart only got paid for the shows that he personally put on.\nWhen other people produced his stuff in other cities, he got bupkis.\n\n\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nFrom: Stuart Hamm \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)\nTo: \"Jeff Wilson\" \nDate: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:33 PM\n\nI'm not sure I ever had credibility...certainly? not on this\nforum...but\n\nThe actors and producers and people who work on a TV show are payed up\nfront for their work...maybe some back end $ for DVD sales...but are not\npayed? based on how many people actually watch the show!!\nWhen someone buys a CD at a store or online a % of that sale goes to the\nwriter/musicians...that's the way we make money off the product. If\nit's\nshared or downloaded illegaly I lose the opportunity to make $ off my\nwork.\nSure, if I download an episode of BSG Ron Moore may lose a few $...(but\nI'll buy the box set anyway..) but the lion's share of his earning\nhave\nbeen payed already,,,regardless of whether 1 million or 25 million\npeople\nwatched that episode.\n\nNo one's gonna back me? Don't we all rush out and buy a first\nedition of\nGW's new books instead of\n downloading an illegal copy???\n\n??????????-\\\\~S~//- ? Mobile — (415) 786-3624\n???? Skype? stuart.hamm\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\n? ??? stuarthamm.net\n\n\n--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nFrom: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) (no subject)" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:14:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<79D1875774674F15BF3680963032A9BB@eMachinePC>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:58 PM, James Wynn wrote:\nYou can download copies of Wolfe's books? I wish I had those." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh sure. There're plenty of ebook copies. They're awfully handy for\nsearching. I haven't even tried (I got the ebooks from some torrents\nwhen I was looking for Niven stuff), but I've most of the major bits\nof Wolfeania. Since I know someone will be curious exactly what,\nhere's a list:\n\nafishstory.pdf\nagainstthelafayetteescadrille.pdf\natthepointofcapricorn.pdf\nbeaandherbirdbrother.pdf\ncastaway.pdf\ncomber.pdf\ncopperhead.pdf\ncountingcatsinzanzibar.pdf\ndetectiveofdreams.pdf\neastersunday.pdf\nebookdeathofdrisland.txt\nendangeredspecies.pdf\ngreenglass.pdf\njohnk.kinderprice.pdf\nlabefana.pdf\nlongsun1nightsidethelongsun.pdf\nlongsun2lakeofthelongsun.pdf\nlongsun3caldeofthelongsun.pdf\nlongsun4exodusfromthelongsun.pdf\nmarybeatricesmootfriarlyspv.pdf\nmemorare.pdf\nmorningglory.pdf\nnewsun03theswordofthelictorv1.0html.rar\nnewsun04thecitadeloftheautarchrtf.rar\nnewsun1theshadowofthetorturer.pdf\nnewsun1theshadowofthetorturer.rar\nnewsun2theclawoftheconciliator.pdf\nnewsun2theclawoftheconcilliator.rar\nnewsun3theswordofthelictor.pdf\nnewsun3theurthofthenewsun.rar\nnewsun4thecitadeloftheautarch.pdf\nnewsun5theurthofthenewsun.pdf\npaulstreehouse.pdf\nperitonitis.pdf\npettingzoo.pdf\nqueenv1.0.pdf\nsevenamericannights.pdf\nshortsun01onblueswaters.pdf\ntalkofmandrakes.pdf\nthearimaspianlegacy.pdf\ntheboywhohookedthesun.pdf\nthecaseofthevanishingghost.pdf\nthedeadman.pdf\nthedeathofdr.island.pdf\ntheeyeflashmiracles.pdf\nthefifthheadofcerberus.pdf\nthehorarsofwar.pdf\ntheislandofdoctordeath.txt\ntheislandofdr.death.pdf\nthelostpilgrim.pdf\nthemaninthepeppermill.pdf\ntheotherdeadman.pdf\ntherearedoors.pdf\nthesoldier01.soldierofthemist.pdf\nthewaif.pdf\ntheziggurat.pdf\nunderhill.pdf\nviewpoint.pdf\nwarbeneaththetree.pdf" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:15:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<10049.67.142.130.43.1242857572.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, wrote:\nAre there more dead people or living people?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"There is no category of human activity in which the dead do not\noutnumber the living many times over. Most beautiful children are\ndead. Most soldiers, most cowards. The fairest women and the most\nlearned men all are dead?Who can say how intently they listen as we\nspeak, or for what word?\"\n\n(Severian, _Citadel of the Autarch_)" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "<11597.67.142.130.43.1242858075.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:21:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Some there I haven't read. Where do you gettum, Gwern?\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:58 PM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "You can download copies of Wolfe's books? I wish I had those." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Oh sure. There're plenty of ebook copies. They're awfully handy for\nsearching. I haven't even tried (I got the ebooks from some torrents\nwhen I was looking for Niven stuff), but I've most of the major bits\nof Wolfeania. Since I know someone will be curious exactly what,\nhere's a list:\n\nafishstory.pdf\nagainstthelafayetteescadrille.pdf\natthepointofcapricorn.pdf\nbeaandherbirdbrother.pdf\ncastaway.pdf\ncomber.pdf\ncopperhead.pdf\ncountingcatsinzanzibar.pdf\ndetectiveofdreams.pdf\neastersunday.pdf\nebookdeathofdrisland.txt\nendangeredspecies.pdf\ngreenglass.pdf\njohnk.kinderprice.pdf\nlabefana.pdf\nlongsun1nightsidethelongsun.pdf\nlongsun2lakeofthelongsun.pdf\nlongsun3caldeofthelongsun.pdf\nlongsun4exodusfromthelongsun.pdf\nmarybeatricesmootfriarlyspv.pdf\nmemorare.pdf\nmorningglory.pdf\nnewsun03theswordofthelictorv1.0html.rar\nnewsun04thecitadeloftheautarchrtf.rar\nnewsun1theshadowofthetorturer.pdf\nnewsun1theshadowofthetorturer.rar\nnewsun2theclawoftheconciliator.pdf\nnewsun2theclawoftheconcilliator.rar\nnewsun3theswordofthelictor.pdf\nnewsun3theurthofthenewsun.rar\nnewsun4thecitadeloftheautarch.pdf\nnewsun5theurthofthenewsun.pdf\npaulstreehouse.pdf\nperitonitis.pdf\npettingzoo.pdf\nqueenv1.0.pdf\nsevenamericannights.pdf\nshortsun01onblueswaters.pdf\ntalkofmandrakes.pdf\nthearimaspianlegacy.pdf\ntheboywhohookedthesun.pdf\nthecaseofthevanishingghost.pdf\nthedeadman.pdf\nthedeathofdr.island.pdf\ntheeyeflashmiracles.pdf\nthefifthheadofcerberus.pdf\nthehorarsofwar.pdf\ntheislandofdoctordeath.txt\ntheislandofdr.death.pdf\nthelostpilgrim.pdf\nthemaninthepeppermill.pdf\ntheotherdeadman.pdf\ntherearedoors.pdf\nthesoldier01.soldierofthemist.pdf\nthewaif.pdf\ntheziggurat.pdf\nunderhill.pdf\nviewpoint.pdf\nwarbeneaththetree.pdf\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<6441.67.142.130.43.1242858108.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:21:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nope.\n\nThere are more living people.\n\nDead people are not.\n\n\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Are there more dead people or living people?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"There is no category of human activity in which the dead do not\noutnumber the living many times over. Most beautiful children are\ndead. Most soldiers, most cowards. The fairest women and the most\nlearned men???all are dead???Who can say how intently they listen as we\nspeak, or for what word?\"\n\n(Severian, _Citadel of the Autarch_)\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:26:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<6441.67.142.130.43.1242858108.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 20, 2009, at 5:21 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nNope.\n\nThere are more living people." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hey! This is now, that will be then!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Dead people are not." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Not people?\n\nWhy am I thinking of the Jonathan Coulton song, \"Re: Your Brains\" ?\n\n\"I'm not a monster, Tom....\n Well, technically I am.\n I guess I am.\"\n\nAdam" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Are there more dead people or living people?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "\"There is no category of human activity in which the dead do not\noutnumber the living many times over. Most beautiful children are\ndead. Most soldiers, most cowards. The fairest women and the most\nlearned men???all are dead???Who can say how intently they listen \nas we\nspeak, or for what word?\"\n\n(Severian, _Citadel of the Autarch_)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<070BE775-732B-4C77-AF3F-766A43493D1F@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:28:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 20, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Adam Thornton wrote:\n\nOn May 20, 2009, at 5:21 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Nope.\n\nThere are more living people." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Hey! This is now, that will be then!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Dead people are not." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Not people?\n\nWhy am I thinking of the Jonathan Coulton song, \"Re: Your Brains\" ?\n\n\"I'm not a monster, Tom....\n Well, technically I am.\n I guess I am.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh, heh, there's an Oreb thing in there too:\n\n\"All we wanna do is eat your brains\n We're not unreasonable. I mean, no one's gonna eat your eyes.\"\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-05-20T22:39:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<11597.67.142.130.43.1242858075.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\nHash: SHA512" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:21 PM,\n wrote:\nSome there I haven't read. Where do you gettum, Gwern?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "- From Isohunt for the most part. Particularly impressive is one group\nwhich regularly releases batches of 'Science Fiction and Fantasy';\nit's remarkable how recent releases turn up in their torrents, and how\ncomprehensive they generally are.\n\n(I just tried searching for Sanderson's recent _Hero of Ages_ since I\nwas in the middle of it when an acquaintance took it back, and sure\nenough, it was in one of their update torrents.)\n\n- --\ngwern\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)\n\niEYEAREKAAYFAkoUhowACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oJ5sQCfWhwjO4mVfwdGU+TqIft6RPX+\nQfgAoIj3DrQ1ULpPkTcGuhxmprOKIBwU\n=YpEP\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "<5332.67.142.130.14.1242863203.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2009-05-20T23:46:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Fw: Re: (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 20, 2009, at 5:21 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Nope." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "There are more living people." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Hey! This is now, that will be then!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That was now. This is now, now." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Dead people are not." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Not people?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Just not." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Why am I thinking of the Jonathan Coulton song, \"Re: Your Brains\" ?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"I'm not a monster, Tom....\n Well, technically I am.\n I guess I am.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "All we wanna do is eat your brains!\n\n\n\n\n." } ] } ] }