{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5497", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5497, "subject": "AEG: Rian's mother", "messages": 5, "voices": 3, "first": "2009-10-05T04:27:59+00:00", "last": "2009-10-09T04:03:06+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<002501ca4574$3c505160$d4cf4a0c@rclackey>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2009-10-05T04:27:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG: Rian's mother", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One more try. I'll make it brief.\n\nCassie goes to Woldercan and gets Gideon to make her look good again. She\ncomes back to Earth about 20 years before she left. She is still in her\nearly thirties; Reis should then be in his twenties. She knows his tastes\nand uses her knowledge and looks to meet and marry him. She gives birth to\nRian.\n\nAfter a number of years, her looks start to fade and Reis strays. He leaves\nher for another beauty, Pavlatos. Pavlatos goes to Woldercan with him when\nhe is appointed ambassador. Reis dumps Pavlatos after a number of years, but\nit costs him plenty.\n\nMeanwhile, Cassie knows about Gideon, knows that he can and will fix Rian's\nheart. He does so. Cassie otherwise stays in the background. She knows the\nfuture but cannot change it and dares not try; because otherwise Rian would\nnot exist. When the time is ripe, she contacts Pavlatos and persuades her to\nrescue her younger self from the island. Younger Cassie goes to Woldercan .\n. . etc.\n\nEverything happens just as it happened in the book. Cassie changed nothing\nby going into the past. She went to Woldercan and found her lost love again,\nif only for a while. She gained a child who is a little bit of the man she\nloved.\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4ACB7D70.2010905@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dave Tallman", "address": "davetallman at msn.com" }, "date": "2009-10-06T17:25:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG: Rian's mother", "in_reply_to": "<002501ca4574$3c505160$d4cf4a0c@rclackey>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Roy C, Lackey wrote:\nEverything happens just as it happened in the book. Cassie changed nothing\nby going into the past. She went to Woldercan and found her lost love again,\nif only for a while. She gained a child who is a little bit of the man she\nloved.\n " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree this is as plausible as the Pavlatos case. I'm still troubled \nthat Sharon Bench knows both Rian and his mother fairly well. (She knows \nthat Rian is \"too brave\" for example, and charges Cassie to protect \ntheir privacy (pp. 25-26). If Cassie/Rian's Mama is keeping in the \nbackground, why reconnect with anyone who knew her in the past? It seems \nlike a risky thing to do." } ] }, { "message_id": "<003801ca471d$f65268a0$d4cc4a0c@rclackey>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2009-10-07T07:15:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG: Rian's mother", "in_reply_to": "<4ACB7D70.2010905@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Dave Tallman quoted and wrote:\nEverything happens just as it happened in the book. Cassie changed\nnothing\nby going into the past. She went to Woldercan and found her lost love\nagain,\nif only for a while. She gained a child who is a little bit of the man\nshe\nloved." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I agree this is as plausible as the Pavlatos case. I'm still troubled\nthat Sharon Bench knows both Rian and his mother fairly well. (She knows\nthat Rian is \"too brave\" for example, and charges Cassie to protect\ntheir privacy (pp. 25-26). If Cassie/Rian's Mama is keeping in the\nbackground, why reconnect with anyone who knew her in the past? It seems\nlike a risky thing to do." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Not to pick on your Margaret-as-Cassie theory , but it's not as risky as\nMargaret going to work for her younger self. I doubt that Sharon knew Rian's\nmama well enough to sit down to tea and biscuits. She was a celebrity\nreporter in a smallish city. Cassie may just have wanted to use Sharon to\nkeep tabs on her younger self.\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1FEB47BA04D640B9827CF9B54D6024F1@eMachinePC>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2009-10-08T23:53:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG: Rian's mother", "in_reply_to": "<4ACB7D70.2010905@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Everything happens just as it happened in the book. Cassie changed \nnothing\nby going into the past. She went to Woldercan and found her lost love \nagain,\nif only for a while. She gained a child who is a little bit of the man \nshe\nloved." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I agree this is as plausible as the Pavlatos case. I'm still troubled that \nSharon Bench knows both Rian and his mother fairly well. (She knows that \nRian is \"too brave\" for example, and charges Cassie to protect their \nprivacy (pp. 25-26). If Cassie/Rian's Mama is keeping in the background, \nwhy reconnect with anyone who knew her in the past? It seems like a risky \nthing to do." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Furthermore, if Sharon Bench knows Ms Pavlatos, is it believable she would \nnot say \"Hey! Cassie looks almost just like Pavlatos\"? I mean, Ms Pavlatos \ncannot be Cassie at more than 20 years in the future. This makes her 55 at \nthe extreme.\n\nI really don't consider this a big deal on it's own, to tell the truth. I \nmean, it is clear to me that Wolfe did something very similar in \"The Book \nof the Long Sun\" (with a slightly greater age differential). But it is one \nmore hard pull at a hypothesis that is already dangerously stretched.\n\nJust sayin'\nJ. " } ] }, { "message_id": "<004901ca4895$6bf18dc0$8dce4a0c@rclackey>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2009-10-09T04:03:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) AEG: Rian's mother", "in_reply_to": "<1FEB47BA04D640B9827CF9B54D6024F1@eMachinePC>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "James Wynn quoted and wrote:\nI agree this is as plausible as the Pavlatos case. I'm still troubled\nthat\nSharon Bench knows both Rian and his mother fairly well. (She knows that\nRian is \"too brave\" for example, and charges Cassie to protect their\nprivacy (pp. 25-26). If Cassie/Rian's Mama is keeping in the background,\nwhy reconnect with anyone who knew her in the past? It seems like a\nrisky\nthing to do." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Furthermore, if Sharon Bench knows Ms Pavlatos, is it believable she would\nnot say \"Hey! Cassie looks almost just like Pavlatos\"? I mean, Ms Pavlatos\ncannot be Cassie at more than 20 years in the future. This makes her 55 at\nthe extreme." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In this version of a time-travel theory, Cassie is Rian's mother and\nPavlatos Bill's second wife. Sharon seems to know or know of Rian's mother,\nbut I know of nothing to indicate that Sharon knew Pavlatos.\n\n-Roy" } ] } ] }