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(Kinder) Price.pdf\nLa Befana.pdf\nLong Sun 01 - Nightside the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 02 - Lake of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 03 - Calde of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 04 - Exodus From the Long Sun.pdf\nMary Beatrice Smoot Friarly, SPV.pdf\nMemorare.pdf\nMorning Glory.pdf\nNew Sun 01- The Shadow of the Torturer.pdf\nNew Sun 02 - The Claw of the Concilliator.pdf\nNew Sun 03 - The Sword of the Lictor.pdf\nNew Sun 04 - The Citadel of the Autarch.pdf\nNew Sun 05 - The Urth of the New Sun.pdf\nPaul's Treehouse.pdf\nPeritonitis.pdf\nPetting Zoo.pdf\nQueen.pdf\nSeven American Nights.pdf\nShort Sun 01 - On Blue's Waters.pdf\nTalk of Mandrakes.pdf\nThe Arimaspian Legacy.pdf\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun.pdf\nThe Case of the Vanishing Ghost.pdf\nThe Dead Man.pdf\nThe Death of Dr Island.pdf\nThe Eyeflash Miracles.pdf\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus.pdf\nThe Horars of War.pdf\nThe Island of Dr Death and Other Stories.pdf\nThe Lost Pilgrim.pdf\nThe Other Dead Man.pdf\nThe Soldier 01. Soldier of the Mist.pdf\nThe Waif.pdf\nThe Ziggurat.pdf\nThe man in the Pepper Mill.pdf\nThere Are Doors.pdf\nUnder Hill.pdf\nViewpoint.pdf\nWar Beneath the Tree.pdf\n\nI already have them all, but no doubt there are hours of reading here\nfor others." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617371003041130w2067f226x4d819754c443eddf@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-04T19:30:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I strongly suspect this of being a copyright violation." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nWhile searching for something entirely else, I ran into\nhttp://bearsite.info/General/Library_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/Wolfe,%20Gene/\n\nIt's an eclectic but large collection of stories & ebooks in various\nformats & quality:\n\nAgainst the Lafayette Escadrille.pdf\nAt the Point of Capricorn.pdf\nBea and Her Bird Brother.pdf\nComber.pdf\nCopperhead.pdf\nA Fish Story.pdf\nCastaway.pdf\nCounting Cats in Zanzibar.pdf\nDetective of dreams.pdf\nEaster Sunday.pdf\nEndangered Species.pdf\nGreen Glass.pdf\nJohn K. (Kinder) Price.pdf\nLa Befana.pdf\nLong Sun 01 - Nightside the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 02 - Lake of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 03 - Calde of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 04 - Exodus From the Long Sun.pdf\nMary Beatrice Smoot Friarly, SPV.pdf\nMemorare.pdf\nMorning Glory.pdf\nNew Sun 01- The Shadow of the Torturer.pdf\nNew Sun 02 - The Claw of the Concilliator.pdf\nNew Sun 03 - The Sword of the Lictor.pdf\nNew Sun 04 - The Citadel of the Autarch.pdf\nNew Sun 05 - The Urth of the New Sun.pdf\nPaul's Treehouse.pdf\nPeritonitis.pdf\nPetting Zoo.pdf\nQueen.pdf\nSeven American Nights.pdf\nShort Sun 01 - On Blue's Waters.pdf\nTalk of Mandrakes.pdf\nThe Arimaspian Legacy.pdf\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun.pdf\nThe Case of the Vanishing Ghost.pdf\nThe Dead Man.pdf\nThe Death of Dr Island.pdf\nThe Eyeflash Miracles.pdf\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus.pdf\nThe Horars of War.pdf\nThe Island of Dr Death and Other Stories.pdf\nThe Lost Pilgrim.pdf\nThe Other Dead Man.pdf\nThe Soldier 01. Soldier of the Mist.pdf\nThe Waif.pdf\nThe Ziggurat.pdf\nThe man in the Pepper Mill.pdf\nThere Are Doors.pdf\nUnder Hill.pdf\nViewpoint.pdf\nWar Beneath the Tree.pdf\n\nI already have them all, but no doubt there are hours of reading here\nfor others.\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617371003041404g68b22b95yb3b0d094475a2e3d@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-04T22:04:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617371003041130w2067f226x4d819754c443eddf@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "H'mmm. The site seems to be down now." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nI strongly suspect this of being a copyright violation.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "While searching for something entirely else, I ran into\nhttp://bearsite.info/General/Library_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/Wolfe,%20Gene/\n\nIt's an eclectic but large collection of stories & ebooks in various\nformats & quality:\n\nAgainst the Lafayette Escadrille.pdf\nAt the Point of Capricorn.pdf\nBea and Her Bird Brother.pdf\nComber.pdf\nCopperhead.pdf\nA Fish Story.pdf\nCastaway.pdf\nCounting Cats in Zanzibar.pdf\nDetective of dreams.pdf\nEaster Sunday.pdf\nEndangered Species.pdf\nGreen Glass.pdf\nJohn K. (Kinder) Price.pdf\nLa Befana.pdf\nLong Sun 01 - Nightside the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 02 - Lake of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 03 - Calde of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 04 - Exodus From the Long Sun.pdf\nMary Beatrice Smoot Friarly, SPV.pdf\nMemorare.pdf\nMorning Glory.pdf\nNew Sun 01- The Shadow of the Torturer.pdf\nNew Sun 02 - The Claw of the Concilliator.pdf\nNew Sun 03 - The Sword of the Lictor.pdf\nNew Sun 04 - The Citadel of the Autarch.pdf\nNew Sun 05 - The Urth of the New Sun.pdf\nPaul's Treehouse.pdf\nPeritonitis.pdf\nPetting Zoo.pdf\nQueen.pdf\nSeven American Nights.pdf\nShort Sun 01 - On Blue's Waters.pdf\nTalk of Mandrakes.pdf\nThe Arimaspian Legacy.pdf\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun.pdf\nThe Case of the Vanishing Ghost.pdf\nThe Dead Man.pdf\nThe Death of Dr Island.pdf\nThe Eyeflash Miracles.pdf\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus.pdf\nThe Horars of War.pdf\nThe Island of Dr Death and Other Stories.pdf\nThe Lost Pilgrim.pdf\nThe Other Dead Man.pdf\nThe Soldier 01. Soldier of the Mist.pdf\nThe Waif.pdf\nThe Ziggurat.pdf\nThe man in the Pepper Mill.pdf\nThere Are Doors.pdf\nUnder Hill.pdf\nViewpoint.pdf\nWar Beneath the Tree.pdf\n\nI already have them all, but no doubt there are hours of reading here\nfor others.\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-04T22:08:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617371003041404g68b22b95yb3b0d094475a2e3d@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Maybe it was a fluke. I just tried it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nH'mmm. The site seems to be down now.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I strongly suspect this of being a copyright violation.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "While searching for something entirely else, I ran into\nhttp://bearsite.info/General/Library_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/Wolfe,%20Gene/\n\nIt's an eclectic but large collection of stories & ebooks in various\nformats & quality:\n\nAgainst the Lafayette Escadrille.pdf\nAt the Point of Capricorn.pdf\nBea and Her Bird Brother.pdf\nComber.pdf\nCopperhead.pdf\nA Fish Story.pdf\nCastaway.pdf\nCounting Cats in Zanzibar.pdf\nDetective of dreams.pdf\nEaster Sunday.pdf\nEndangered Species.pdf\nGreen Glass.pdf\nJohn K. (Kinder) Price.pdf\nLa Befana.pdf\nLong Sun 01 - Nightside the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 02 - Lake of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 03 - Calde of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 04 - Exodus From the Long Sun.pdf\nMary Beatrice Smoot Friarly, SPV.pdf\nMemorare.pdf\nMorning Glory.pdf\nNew Sun 01- The Shadow of the Torturer.pdf\nNew Sun 02 - The Claw of the Concilliator.pdf\nNew Sun 03 - The Sword of the Lictor.pdf\nNew Sun 04 - The Citadel of the Autarch.pdf\nNew Sun 05 - The Urth of the New Sun.pdf\nPaul's Treehouse.pdf\nPeritonitis.pdf\nPetting Zoo.pdf\nQueen.pdf\nSeven American Nights.pdf\nShort Sun 01 - On Blue's Waters.pdf\nTalk of Mandrakes.pdf\nThe Arimaspian Legacy.pdf\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun.pdf\nThe Case of the Vanishing Ghost.pdf\nThe Dead Man.pdf\nThe Death of Dr Island.pdf\nThe Eyeflash Miracles.pdf\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus.pdf\nThe Horars of War.pdf\nThe Island of Dr Death and Other Stories.pdf\nThe Lost Pilgrim.pdf\nThe Other Dead Man.pdf\nThe Soldier 01. Soldier of the Mist.pdf\nThe Waif.pdf\nThe Ziggurat.pdf\nThe man in the Pepper Mill.pdf\nThere Are Doors.pdf\nUnder Hill.pdf\nViewpoint.pdf\nWar Beneath the Tree.pdf\n\nI already have them all, but no doubt there are hours of reading here\nfor others.\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rebecca Bushong-Taylor", "address": "rebeccabt01 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T00:51:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In case you are interested -\n\nI shared this story list with Gene, and he says he never wrote the story\n\"Easter Sunday.\" He's wondering who did, and why it got published in his\nname.\n\nDoes anyone have any insight into this?\n\nThanks\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:08 PM, James Wynn wrote:\nMaybe it was a fluke. I just tried it.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "H'mmm. The site seems to be down now.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I strongly suspect this of being a copyright violation.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Gwern Branwen \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "While searching for something entirely else, I ran into" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "http://bearsite.info/General/Library_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/Wolfe,%20Gene/" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "It's an eclectic but large collection of stories & ebooks in various\nformats & quality:\n\nAgainst the Lafayette Escadrille.pdf\nAt the Point of Capricorn.pdf\nBea and Her Bird Brother.pdf\nComber.pdf\nCopperhead.pdf\nA Fish Story.pdf\nCastaway.pdf\nCounting Cats in Zanzibar.pdf\nDetective of dreams.pdf\nEaster Sunday.pdf\nEndangered Species.pdf\nGreen Glass.pdf\nJohn K. (Kinder) Price.pdf\nLa Befana.pdf\nLong Sun 01 - Nightside the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 02 - Lake of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 03 - Calde of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 04 - Exodus From the Long Sun.pdf\nMary Beatrice Smoot Friarly, SPV.pdf\nMemorare.pdf\nMorning Glory.pdf\nNew Sun 01- The Shadow of the Torturer.pdf\nNew Sun 02 - The Claw of the Concilliator.pdf\nNew Sun 03 - The Sword of the Lictor.pdf\nNew Sun 04 - The Citadel of the Autarch.pdf\nNew Sun 05 - The Urth of the New Sun.pdf\nPaul's Treehouse.pdf\nPeritonitis.pdf\nPetting Zoo.pdf\nQueen.pdf\nSeven American Nights.pdf\nShort Sun 01 - On Blue's Waters.pdf\nTalk of Mandrakes.pdf\nThe Arimaspian Legacy.pdf\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun.pdf\nThe Case of the Vanishing Ghost.pdf\nThe Dead Man.pdf\nThe Death of Dr Island.pdf\nThe Eyeflash Miracles.pdf\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus.pdf\nThe Horars of War.pdf\nThe Island of Dr Death and Other Stories.pdf\nThe Lost Pilgrim.pdf\nThe Other Dead Man.pdf\nThe Soldier 01. Soldier of the Mist.pdf\nThe Waif.pdf\nThe Ziggurat.pdf\nThe man in the Pepper Mill.pdf\nThere Are Doors.pdf\nUnder Hill.pdf\nViewpoint.pdf\nWar Beneath the Tree.pdf\n\nI already have them all, but no doubt there are hours of reading here\nfor others.\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d11003071659p33b37ff5l8d80eee292d74e10@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T00:59:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think you might want to look into Revolutions SF? Link to my original post\nabout the short story:\n\nhttp://lists.urth.net/htdig.cgi/urth-urth.net/2008-March/008754.html\n\nAn article on Revolutions SF calls the piece \"one of his earliest and most\nobscure gems\"\n\nhttp://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=1799\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor <\nrebeccabt01 at gmail.com> wrote:\nIn case you are interested -\n\nI shared this story list with Gene, and he says he never wrote the story\n\"Easter Sunday.\" He's wondering who did, and why it got published in his\nname.\n\nDoes anyone have any insight into this?\n\nThanks\n\nRebecca\n\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:08 PM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Maybe it was a fluke. I just tried it.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "H'mmm. The site seems to be down now.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I strongly suspect this of being a copyright violation.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Gwern Branwen \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "While searching for something entirely else, I ran into" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "http://bearsite.info/General/Library_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/Wolfe,%20Gene/" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "It's an eclectic but large collection of stories & ebooks in various\nformats & quality:\n\nAgainst the Lafayette Escadrille.pdf\nAt the Point of Capricorn.pdf\nBea and Her Bird Brother.pdf\nComber.pdf\nCopperhead.pdf\nA Fish Story.pdf\nCastaway.pdf\nCounting Cats in Zanzibar.pdf\nDetective of dreams.pdf\nEaster Sunday.pdf\nEndangered Species.pdf\nGreen Glass.pdf\nJohn K. (Kinder) Price.pdf\nLa Befana.pdf\nLong Sun 01 - Nightside the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 02 - Lake of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 03 - Calde of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 04 - Exodus From the Long Sun.pdf\nMary Beatrice Smoot Friarly, SPV.pdf\nMemorare.pdf\nMorning Glory.pdf\nNew Sun 01- The Shadow of the Torturer.pdf\nNew Sun 02 - The Claw of the Concilliator.pdf\nNew Sun 03 - The Sword of the Lictor.pdf\nNew Sun 04 - The Citadel of the Autarch.pdf\nNew Sun 05 - The Urth of the New Sun.pdf\nPaul's Treehouse.pdf\nPeritonitis.pdf\nPetting Zoo.pdf\nQueen.pdf\nSeven American Nights.pdf\nShort Sun 01 - On Blue's Waters.pdf\nTalk of Mandrakes.pdf\nThe Arimaspian Legacy.pdf\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun.pdf\nThe Case of the Vanishing Ghost.pdf\nThe Dead Man.pdf\nThe Death of Dr Island.pdf\nThe Eyeflash Miracles.pdf\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus.pdf\nThe Horars of War.pdf\nThe Island of Dr Death and Other Stories.pdf\nThe Lost Pilgrim.pdf\nThe Other Dead Man.pdf\nThe Soldier 01. Soldier of the Mist.pdf\nThe Waif.pdf\nThe Ziggurat.pdf\nThe man in the Pepper Mill.pdf\nThere Are Doors.pdf\nUnder Hill.pdf\nViewpoint.pdf\nWar Beneath the Tree.pdf\n\nI already have them all, but no doubt there are hours of reading here\nfor others.\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T01:00:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor\n wrote:\nIn case you are interested -\n\nI shared this story list with Gene, and he says he never wrote the story\n\"Easter Sunday.\"? He's wondering who did, and why it got published in his\nname.\n\nDoes anyone have any insight into this?\n\nThanks\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Checking the PDF leads me to\nhttp://www.revolutionsf.com/fiction/eastersunday/01.html\n\nWhich definitely puts itself forth as by Gene Wolfe. The style is\nsimilar, but the twist strikes me as not particularly in Wolfe's vein,\nbut also not implausible enough that I could confidently say it wasn't\nWolfe.\n\nBut are you/Wolfe *sure* he didn't write it?\n\nGoogle Books turns up an explicit claim and accurate description in\n_The Long and the Short of It: More Essays on the Fiction of Gene\nWolfe_, by Robert Borski; \"In the very early Wolfe short story, for\nexample, 'Easter Sunday', a chance-met-exiled-aristocrat tells a\nreverend...\"\n\nhttp://books.google.com/books?id=7y1jBrpx4loC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=%22Gene+Wolfe%22+%22Easter+Sunday%22+-pdf&source=bl&ots=8oZpDNE-qv&sig=VBScwUrBHsLR4Zrno1M58gu2ZH8&hl=en&ei=Y0uUS66WK9Sztgf-ofjUCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=21&ved=0CEcQ6AEwFA#v=onepage&q=%22Gene%20Wolfe%22%20%22Easter%20Sunday%22%20-pdf&f=false\n\n(I'll note in passing the other day I saw a blogger mention that he\ndidn't enjoy recent Wolfe books as much because he felt the\nChristianity was getting too strong.)" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rebecca Bushong-Taylor", "address": "rebeccabt01 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T01:16:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<44fb53d11003071659p33b37ff5l8d80eee292d74e10@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks, Matt.\n\nI looked up the SFRev archives, and sent Gene the story, author blurb and\ndates in the slight event that it might have slipped his mind. He said...\n\nIt's from the 4/18/03 issue. That issue calls it a classic reprint, but I\nwas unable to locate the source. Or supposed source. Granted I am not a\ngood web-searcher by any means. Rev. SF does indeed use my byline and\nincludes a brief bio that is clearly mine. Either the editor was fooled or\nhe was fooling.\n Gene\n\nIt's definitely a fake. So, who wrote it and where did it come from?\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Matthew Keeley\nwrote:\nI think you might want to look into Revolutions SF? Link to my original\npost about the short story:\n\nhttp://lists.urth.net/htdig.cgi/urth-urth.net/2008-March/008754.html\n\nAn article on Revolutions SF calls the piece \"one of his earliest and most\nobscure gems\"\n\nhttp://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=1799\n\n-Matt\n\n\nOn Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor <\nrebeccabt01 at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "In case you are interested -\n\nI shared this story list with Gene, and he says he never wrote the story\n\"Easter Sunday.\" He's wondering who did, and why it got published in his\nname.\n\nDoes anyone have any insight into this?\n\nThanks\n\nRebecca\n\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:08 PM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Maybe it was a fluke. I just tried it.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "H'mmm. The site seems to be down now.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "I strongly suspect this of being a copyright violation.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Gwern Branwen \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "While searching for something entirely else, I ran into" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "http://bearsite.info/General/Library_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/Wolfe,%20Gene/" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "It's an eclectic but large collection of stories & ebooks in various\nformats & quality:\n\nAgainst the Lafayette Escadrille.pdf\nAt the Point of Capricorn.pdf\nBea and Her Bird Brother.pdf\nComber.pdf\nCopperhead.pdf\nA Fish Story.pdf\nCastaway.pdf\nCounting Cats in Zanzibar.pdf\nDetective of dreams.pdf\nEaster Sunday.pdf\nEndangered Species.pdf\nGreen Glass.pdf\nJohn K. (Kinder) Price.pdf\nLa Befana.pdf\nLong Sun 01 - Nightside the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 02 - Lake of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 03 - Calde of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 04 - Exodus From the Long Sun.pdf\nMary Beatrice Smoot Friarly, SPV.pdf\nMemorare.pdf\nMorning Glory.pdf\nNew Sun 01- The Shadow of the Torturer.pdf\nNew Sun 02 - The Claw of the Concilliator.pdf\nNew Sun 03 - The Sword of the Lictor.pdf\nNew Sun 04 - The Citadel of the Autarch.pdf\nNew Sun 05 - The Urth of the New Sun.pdf\nPaul's Treehouse.pdf\nPeritonitis.pdf\nPetting Zoo.pdf\nQueen.pdf\nSeven American Nights.pdf\nShort Sun 01 - On Blue's Waters.pdf\nTalk of Mandrakes.pdf\nThe Arimaspian Legacy.pdf\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun.pdf\nThe Case of the Vanishing Ghost.pdf\nThe Dead Man.pdf\nThe Death of Dr Island.pdf\nThe Eyeflash Miracles.pdf\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus.pdf\nThe Horars of War.pdf\nThe Island of Dr Death and Other Stories.pdf\nThe Lost Pilgrim.pdf\nThe Other Dead Man.pdf\nThe Soldier 01. Soldier of the Mist.pdf\nThe Waif.pdf\nThe Ziggurat.pdf\nThe man in the Pepper Mill.pdf\nThere Are Doors.pdf\nUnder Hill.pdf\nViewpoint.pdf\nWar Beneath the Tree.pdf\n\nI already have them all, but no doubt there are hours of reading here\nfor others.\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d11003071814x1943ee6fr9cb3863ff7219443@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T02:14:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I tried Googling a few phrases from the text, but didn't get any meaningful\nhits — someone posted the story to a blog in 2007, attributing it to Wolfe.\nCouldn't find anything in a books search aside from the Borski citation\nGwern already mentioned. If the story ever appeared under a different\nbyline, I couldn't find it online. Didn't try running any database searches\nthough — I no longer have free access to any of them.\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor <\nrebeccabt01 at gmail.com> wrote:\nThanks, Matt.\n\nI looked up the SFRev archives, and sent Gene the story, author blurb and\ndates in the slight event that it might have slipped his mind. He said...\n\nIt's from the 4/18/03 issue. That issue calls it a classic reprint, but I\nwas unable to locate the source. Or supposed source. Granted I am not a\ngood web-searcher by any means. Rev. SF does indeed use my byline and\nincludes a brief bio that is clearly mine. Either the editor was fooled or\nhe was fooling.\n Gene\n\nIt's definitely a fake. So, who wrote it and where did it come from?\n\nRebecca\n\nOn Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Matthew Keeley wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "In case you are interested -\n\nI shared this story list with Gene, and he says he never wrote the story\n\"Easter Sunday.\" He's wondering who did, and why it got published in his\nname.\n\nDoes anyone have any insight into this?\n\nThanks\n\nRebecca\n\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:08 PM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Maybe it was a fluke. I just tried it.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "H'mmm. The site seems to be down now.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "I strongly suspect this of being a copyright violation.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Gwern Branwen \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "While searching for something entirely else, I ran into" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "http://bearsite.info/General/Library_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/Wolfe,%20Gene/" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "It's an eclectic but large collection of stories & ebooks in various\nformats & quality:\n\nAgainst the Lafayette Escadrille.pdf\nAt the Point of Capricorn.pdf\nBea and Her Bird Brother.pdf\nComber.pdf\nCopperhead.pdf\nA Fish Story.pdf\nCastaway.pdf\nCounting Cats in Zanzibar.pdf\nDetective of dreams.pdf\nEaster Sunday.pdf\nEndangered Species.pdf\nGreen Glass.pdf\nJohn K. (Kinder) Price.pdf\nLa Befana.pdf\nLong Sun 01 - Nightside the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 02 - Lake of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 03 - Calde of the Long Sun.pdf\nLong Sun 04 - Exodus From the Long Sun.pdf\nMary Beatrice Smoot Friarly, SPV.pdf\nMemorare.pdf\nMorning Glory.pdf\nNew Sun 01- The Shadow of the Torturer.pdf\nNew Sun 02 - The Claw of the Concilliator.pdf\nNew Sun 03 - The Sword of the Lictor.pdf\nNew Sun 04 - The Citadel of the Autarch.pdf\nNew Sun 05 - The Urth of the New Sun.pdf\nPaul's Treehouse.pdf\nPeritonitis.pdf\nPetting Zoo.pdf\nQueen.pdf\nSeven American Nights.pdf\nShort Sun 01 - On Blue's Waters.pdf\nTalk of Mandrakes.pdf\nThe Arimaspian Legacy.pdf\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun.pdf\nThe Case of the Vanishing Ghost.pdf\nThe Dead Man.pdf\nThe Death of Dr Island.pdf\nThe Eyeflash Miracles.pdf\nThe Fifth Head of Cerberus.pdf\nThe Horars of War.pdf\nThe Island of Dr Death and Other Stories.pdf\nThe Lost Pilgrim.pdf\nThe Other Dead Man.pdf\nThe Soldier 01. Soldier of the Mist.pdf\nThe Waif.pdf\nThe Ziggurat.pdf\nThe man in the Pepper Mill.pdf\nThere Are Doors.pdf\nUnder Hill.pdf\nViewpoint.pdf\nWar Beneath the Tree.pdf\n\nI already have them all, but no doubt there are hours of reading\nhere\nfor others.\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4B946CC0.9050504@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T03:19:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/7/2010 7:16 PM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor wrote:\nThanks, Matt.\n\nI looked up the SFRev archives, and sent Gene the story, author blurb\nand dates in the slight event that it might have slipped his mind. He\nsaid...\n\nIt's from the 4/18/03 issue. That issue calls it a classic reprint, but\nI was unable to locate the source. Or supposed source. Granted I am\nnot a good web-searcher by any means. Rev. SF does indeed use my byline\nand includes a brief bio that is clearly mine. Either the editor was\nfooled or he was fooling.\n Gene\n\nIt's definitely a fake. So, who wrote it and where did it come from?\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am a fellow matriculant at Texas A&M and a couple of years ago I met \nBill Page at his home, the infamous Monkey House. Bill is one of the \ncurators of the University's SF collections, and listed \"Easter Sunday\" \nin his bibliographic history AGGIELAND/FANTASYLAND, presumably compiled \nfrom the original local and university publications." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Wolfe, Gene, \"Easter Sunday,\" Commentator 4(4): 6, 26 (March 1951).\nMinister meets a political exile, Satan.\nThis is _the_ Gene Wolfe, award-winning sf writer." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've e-mailed Bill about the disclaim and to see if the original \npublication can be looked at.\n\nBest,\nJeff" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<587860.82992.qm@web50706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jerry Friedman", "address": "jerry_friedman at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T05:33:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<4B946CC0.9050504@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 3/7/2010 7:16 PM, Rebecca\nBushong-Taylor wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Thanks, Matt.\n\nI looked up the SFRev archives, and sent Gene the\nstory, author blurb\nand dates in the slight event that it might have\nslipped his mind. He\nsaid...\n\nIt's from the 4/18/03 issue. That issue calls it\na classic reprint, but\nI was unable to locate the source. Or supposed\nsource. Granted I am\nnot a good web-searcher by any means. Rev. SF\ndoes indeed use my byline\nand includes a brief bio that is clearly mine.\nEither the editor was fooled or he was fooling.\n? ? ? ? ? ? Gene\n\nIt's definitely a fake. So, who wrote it and\nwhere did it come from?\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I am a fellow matriculant at Texas A&M and a couple of\nyears ago I met Bill Page at his home, the infamous Monkey\nHouse. Bill is one of the curators of the University's SF\ncollections, and listed \"Easter Sunday\" in his bibliographic\nhistory AGGIELAND/FANTASYLAND, presumably compiled from the\noriginal local and university publications." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Wolfe, Gene, \"Easter Sunday,\" Commentator 4(4): 6, 26\n(March 1951).\nMinister meets a political exile, Satan.\nThis is _the_ Gene Wolfe, award-winning sf writer." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've e-mailed Bill about the disclaim and to see if the\noriginal publication can be looked at." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "An amusing way to play a hoax would be to find out the\ntitle of an undergraduate story by a famous writer,\nforge a story that matches it, and claim to have\nrediscovered it. Somebody did something like that\nwith Nabokov. Of course, the famous writer and\nanyone who paid money to read the hoax might or might\nnot find it amusing.\n\nNot that that's the only possibility for \"Easter\nSunday\".\n\nJerry Friedman\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rebecca Bushong-Taylor", "address": "rebeccabt01 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T06:30:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<4B946CC0.9050504@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thank you, Jeff! Now we have the supposed source material. Gene's asked to\nbe kept apprised of anything we may find.\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 3/7/2010 7:16 PM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Thanks, Matt.\n\nI looked up the SFRev archives, and sent Gene the story, author blurb\nand dates in the slight event that it might have slipped his mind. He\nsaid...\n\nIt's from the 4/18/03 issue. That issue calls it a classic reprint, but\nI was unable to locate the source. Or supposed source. Granted I am\nnot a good web-searcher by any means. Rev. SF does indeed use my byline\nand includes a brief bio that is clearly mine. Either the editor was\nfooled or he was fooling.\n Gene\n\nIt's definitely a fake. So, who wrote it and where did it come from?\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I am a fellow matriculant at Texas A&M and a couple of years ago I met Bill\nPage at his home, the infamous Monkey House. Bill is one of the curators of\nthe University's SF collections, and listed \"Easter Sunday\" in his\nbibliographic history AGGIELAND/FANTASYLAND, presumably compiled from the\noriginal local and university publications.\n\n Wolfe, Gene, \"Easter Sunday,\" Commentator 4(4): 6, 26 (March 1951)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Minister meets a political exile, Satan." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This is _the_ Gene Wolfe, award-winning sf writer." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've e-mailed Bill about the disclaim and to see if the original\npublication can be looked at.\n\nBest,\nJeff\n\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4B94AEE7.9070805@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T08:01:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/8/2010 12:30 AM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor wrote:\nThank you, Jeff! Now we have the supposed source material. Gene's\nasked to be kept apprised of anything we may find." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "While we are at it, what does he say about another early story?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Wolfe, Gene, \"The Case of the Vanishing Ghost,\" Commentator 5(2):\n6-7, 17-18 (Nov. 1951). Sherlock Holmes pastiche, with a ghost." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And I mistakenly reversed Bill's title. It is FANTASYLAND/AGGIELAND, \nlinked from this page:\n\n\thttp://cushing.library.tamu.edu/collections/browse-major-collections/the-science-fiction-collection\n\nor\thttp://preview.tinyurl.com/ya8xgo8" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rebecca Bushong-Taylor", "address": "rebeccabt01 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T20:52:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<4B94AEE7.9070805@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In this morning's mail -\n\n Dear Rebecca,\n I recant. I probably did write it, back in 1951. I wrote a few short\npieces for the Commentator — that was what got me started as a writer. So I\nread my own work from almost sixty years ago without recognizing it.\nConsidering that the gentleman is hugging 80, I suppose it's not surprising\nthat a few of these early little \"gems\" from the days before he even thought\nof himself as a writer might have slipped his mind. And that includes the\nSH pastiche. That was him, too. Sorry to mislead you all.\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 3/8/2010 12:30 AM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Thank you, Jeff! Now we have the supposed source material. Gene's\nasked to be kept apprised of anything we may find." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "While we are at it, what does he say about another early story?\n\nWolfe, Gene, \"The Case of the Vanishing Ghost,\" Commentator 5(2):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "6-7, 17-18 (Nov. 1951). Sherlock Holmes pastiche, with a ghost." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "And I mistakenly reversed Bill's title. It is FANTASYLAND/AGGIELAND, linked\nfrom this page:\n\n\nhttp://cushing.library.tamu.edu/collections/browse-major-collections/the-science-fiction-collection\n\nor http://preview.tinyurl.com/ya8xgo8\n\n\n\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<7098.67.142.130.40.1268081766.squirrel@www.brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-03-08T20:56:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This is really taking the unreliable narrator thing to new level.\n\nNext, I guess, there will be another letter saying this one is a froggery...\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "In this morning's mail -\n\n Dear Rebecca,\n I recant. I probably did write it, back in 1951. I wrote a few\nshort\npieces for the Commentator — that was what got me started as a writer. So\nI\nread my own work from almost sixty years ago without recognizing it.\nConsidering that the gentleman is hugging 80, I suppose it's not\nsurprising\nthat a few of these early little \"gems\" from the days before he even\nthought\nof himself as a writer might have slipped his mind. And that includes the\nSH pastiche. That was him, too. Sorry to mislead you all.\n\nRebecca\n\nOn Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 3/8/2010 12:30 AM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Thank you, Jeff! Now we have the supposed source material. Gene's\nasked to be kept apprised of anything we may find." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "While we are at it, what does he say about another early story?\n\nWolfe, Gene, \"The Case of the Vanishing Ghost,\" Commentator 5(2):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "6-7, 17-18 (Nov. 1951). Sherlock Holmes pastiche, with a ghost." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "And I mistakenly reversed Bill's title. It is FANTASYLAND/AGGIELAND,\nlinked\nfrom this page:\n\n\nhttp://cushing.library.tamu.edu/collections/browse-major-collections/the-science-fiction-collection\n\nor http://preview.tinyurl.com/ya8xgo8\n\n\n\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617371003081259x346804fdiae8d57622e663b2e@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T20:59:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<7098.67.142.130.40.1268081766.squirrel@www.brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Has anyone determined yet whether this site is legal? They've got a\nhuge library of stuff up there..." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4714fe057b62f470e9c110c643834681.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T21:05:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<7098.67.142.130.40.1268081766.squirrel@www.brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "This is really taking the unreliable narrator thing to new level.\n\nNext, I guess, there will be another letter saying this one is a\nfroggery..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Good ol' Brunians, always the first to leap to conclusions." } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f1003081307m22e62f98l62fdcd1c2d8238e9@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T21:07:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<4714fe057b62f470e9c110c643834681.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Possibly it was written by a different iteration of Wolfe." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nThis is really taking the unreliable narrator thing to new level.\n\nNext, I guess, there will be another letter saying this one is a\nfroggery..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Good ol' Brunians, always the first to leap to conclusions.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1146.67.142.130.40.1268083473.squirrel@www.brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-03-08T21:24:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<4714fe057b62f470e9c110c643834681.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hey, we might as well start the alternative traditions early.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This is really taking the unreliable narrator thing to new level.\n\nNext, I guess, there will be another letter saying this one is a\nfroggery..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Good ol' Brunians, always the first to leap to conclusions.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<6406.67.142.130.40.1268083562.squirrel@www.brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-03-08T21:26:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f1003081307m22e62f98l62fdcd1c2d8238e9@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Indeed.\n\nThis story was leakage in from a parallel World, and the story of this\nstory as it appears here will leak into yet another.\n\nIf you think back, you may remember it now.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Possibly it was written by a different iteration of Wolfe.\n\nOn Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "This is really taking the unreliable narrator thing to new level.\n\nNext, I guess, there will be another letter saying this one is a\nfroggery..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Good ol' Brunians, always the first to leap to conclusions.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<44fb53d11003081328q2e6b0622m9afaed21972959de@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T21:28:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<6406.67.142.130.40.1268083562.squirrel@www.brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Of course he didn't remember — Wolfe hasn't actually written this story yet.\nHe will write it shortly after this whole affair concludes, then send it\nback to his younger self to publish in 1951.\n\n-Matt" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:26 PM, wrote:\nIndeed.\n\nThis story was leakage in from a parallel World, and the story of this\nstory as it appears here will leak into yet another.\n\nIf you think back, you may remember it now.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Possibly it was written by a different iteration of Wolfe.\n\nOn Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "This is really taking the unreliable narrator thing to new level.\n\nNext, I guess, there will be another letter saying this one is a\nfroggery..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Good ol' Brunians, always the first to leap to conclusions.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<31abe6be0806ca59dae72a1f75bc2908.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T21:38:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<1146.67.142.130.40.1268083473.squirrel@www.brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Hey, we might as well start the alternative traditions early.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "This is really taking the unreliable narrator thing to new level.\n\nNext, I guess, there will be another letter saying this one is a\nfroggery..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Good ol' Brunians, always the first to leap to conclusions." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "But don't want to get so many going that we'd be swamped." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T21:44:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617371003081259x346804fdiae8d57622e663b2e@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Has anyone determined yet whether this site is legal? They've got a\nhuge library of stuff up there..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It depends on where it is hosted, I suppose. That's the way it has\nalways been with copyright laws, I think. Fortunately, I suspect the\nactual harm these publishers and authors is almost nil since (looking\nthem over) almost anyone who would download these stories would prefer\nto own the books anyway. They're probably more greatly harmed by used\nbook stores.\n\nIncidentally, I'm finishing up Pirate Freedom right now and it made me\nthink of those modern day pirates: cyber-thieves who use tactics from\nphishing, malware, and outright extortion to net millions each\nyear.Like the sailors in the ships, I imagine the programmers make a\nsmall fraction of what they pull in. A large number of attacks seem to\noriginate out of Eastern Europe and China, and I'd imagine those\ncountries could shut them down quickly if they wanted to. But if you\nshare a world with a lone superpower that is technologically\ndependent, they are a useful tool in your chest..\n\nSo just as the English and French looked the other way regarding\nprivateers as long as they did not poach their own nation's ships, I\nimagine it is the same in Eastern Europe and Asia.\n\n\nJ." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T21:50:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Fortunately, I suspect the\nactual harm these ?publishers and authors is almost nil since (looking\nthem over) almost anyone who would download these stories would prefer\nto own the books anyway. They're probably more greatly harmed by used\nbook stores." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Also, out of curiosity I downloaded Nightside of the Long Sun and had\nmy suspicions confirmed. The text was merely OCR'd and never cleaned\nup. So these texts are of limited value even as a reference tool. One\nwould be better off using Google Books.\n\nJ." } ] }, { "message_id": "<943012.84711.qm@web50705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jerry Friedman", "address": "jerry_friedman at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-03-08T22:01:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<31abe6be0806ca59dae72a1f75bc2908.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- On Mon, 3/8/10, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nFrom: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Monday, March 8, 2010, 2:38 PM\nHey, we might as well start the\nalternative traditions early." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "This is really taking the unreliable narrator\nthing to new level.\n\nNext, I guess, there will be another letter\nsaying this one is a\nfroggery..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Good ol' Brunians, always the first to leap to\nconclusions." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But don't want to get so many going that we'd be swamped." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"Good ol'\" looked like toadying, but actually I think\nthe tone was pretty newtral.\n\nJerry Friedman\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<00df01cabf10$6db76d40$81cf4a0c@rclackey>", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2010-03-08T22:40:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<4714fe057b62f470e9c110c643834681.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On the subject of the Sherlock Holmes pastiche, Michael Andre-Driussi had\nthis to say:\n\n\"However, Jeff Wilson raises the question about \"The Case of the Vanishing\nGhost.\" This one was collected in the United Mythologies Press (a.k.a. \"U.\nM. Press\") book _Young Wolfe_ (1992). It is the first story, in fact, and\nhas a new intro by Wolfe.\"\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Zachary Kendal", "address": "zackendal at optusnet.com.au" }, "date": "2010-03-09T07:40:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<00df01cabf10$6db76d40$81cf4a0c@rclackey>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've added \"Easter Sunday\" to my little list of \"Uncollected Gene Wolfe Short Stories\" - http://silk4calde.blogspot.com/2009/09/list-of-gene-wolfes-uncollected-short.html\n\nIt makes me wonder how many early short stories are missing from the list. I put it together after hours of laborious internetting, but the earliest stories on the list (until now) were from 1970. Given that \"Easter Sunday\", like a couple of the stories in _Young Wolfe_, was originally published in 1951, I wonder how many uncollected stories there are from the 1950s and 1960s.\n\nOh, and please let me know of any errors or omissions in the list. And if you have any problems downloading the version hosted on Scribd (embedded on the blog page linked to above) then let me know and I'll e-mail you a copy.\n\nZac" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 09/03/2010, at 9:40 AM, Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nOn the subject of the Sherlock Holmes pastiche, Michael Andre-Driussi had\nthis to say:\n\n\"However, Jeff Wilson raises the question about \"The Case of the Vanishing\nGhost.\" This one was collected in the United Mythologies Press (a.k.a. \"U.\nM. Press\") book _Young Wolfe_ (1992). It is the first story, in fact, and\nhas a new intro by Wolfe.\"\n\n-Roy\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rebecca Bushong-Taylor", "address": "rebeccabt01 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-09T18:10:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, since even Gene didn't remember, it would probably be a good idea to\ncheck with the A&M archives and see what else might have been saved from his\ncollege days....\n\nOne of these days when he's in a reminiscing sort of mood, I'll see what he\nhas to say about the later 50s and the 60's.\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Zachary Kendal wrote:\nI've added \"Easter Sunday\" to my little list of \"Uncollected Gene Wolfe\nShort Stories\" -\nhttp://silk4calde.blogspot.com/2009/09/list-of-gene-wolfes-uncollected-short.html\n\nIt makes me wonder how many early short stories are missing from the list.\nI put it together after hours of laborious internetting, but the earliest\nstories on the list (until now) were from 1970. Given that \"Easter Sunday\",\nlike a couple of the stories in _Young Wolfe_, was originally published in\n1951, I wonder how many uncollected stories there are from the 1950s and\n1960s.\n\nOh, and please let me know of any errors or omissions in the list. And if\nyou have any problems downloading the version hosted on Scribd (embedded on\nthe blog page linked to above) then let me know and I'll e-mail you a copy.\n\nZac\n\n\nOn 09/03/2010, at 9:40 AM, Roy C. Lackey wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On the subject of the Sherlock Holmes pastiche, Michael Andre-Driussi had\nthis to say:\n\n\"However, Jeff Wilson raises the question about \"The Case of the\nVanishing\nGhost.\" This one was collected in the United Mythologies Press (a.k.a." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"U." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "M. Press\") book _Young Wolfe_ (1992). It is the first story, in fact,\nand\nhas a new intro by Wolfe.\"\n\n-Roy\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<922665.9467.qm@web37606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Craig Brewer", "address": "cnbrewer at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-03-09T18:17:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Sorcerer's House signings?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Does Wolfe plan on doing any book signings or release parties for _The Sorcerer's House_? I finally got to meet him when he did a small one for AEG in a store outside Chicago, and I'd love to go again. My google skills are failing me at this, however, so I thought I'd see if anyone here had any inklings.\n\nCraig\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-22T19:19:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, James Wynn wrote:\nFortunately, I suspect the\nactual harm these ?publishers and authors is almost nil since (looking\nthem over) almost anyone who would download these stories would prefer\nto own the books anyway. They're probably more greatly harmed by used\nbook stores." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Also, out of curiosity I downloaded Nightside of the Long Sun and had\nmy suspicions confirmed. The text was merely OCR'd and never cleaned\nup. So these texts are of limited value even as a reference tool. One\nwould be better off using Google Books.\n\nJ." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I would point out that all the entries in Google Books are either not\navailable or cut you off at roughly half the contents - usually around\n150-200 pages, I'd guess, based on how far the downloading scripts\nget.\n\nOCR errors are annoying, but at least everything is accessible." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] }, { "message_id": "<863159d5bf932a8c7b1cf5a8551197e7.squirrel@email.fatcow.com>", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2010-03-22T21:17:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I found a motherload of Wolfe pdfs online. (Fenopy I think it was). Tons\nof short stories in there, but I'm hesitant to read any of them as a first\nread because of the massive amount of OCR errors found in the New Sun ones\nthat were included. They are great for reference, for searching and for\nhaving the text at your fingertips while arguing about minor plot points\non the internet, but I don't think their usefulness extends to cozy\nreading, even on an eReader. I find them very useful when I'm looking up\ndetails for illustrations. (yes, still chugging on that as much as I can.\nit's getting in the way of my less interesting for hire jobs actually...)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, March 22, 2010 3:19 pm, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nOn Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Fortunately, I suspect the\nactual harm these ??publishers and authors is almost nil since (looking\nthem over) almost anyone who would download these stories would prefer\nto own the books anyway. They're probably more greatly harmed by used\nbook stores." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Also, out of curiosity I downloaded Nightside of the Long Sun and had\nmy suspicions confirmed. The text was merely OCR'd and never cleaned\nup. So these texts are of limited value even as a reference tool. One\nwould be better off using Google Books.\n\nJ." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I would point out that all the entries in Google Books are either not\navailable or cut you off at roughly half the contents - usually around\n150-200 pages, I'd guess, based on how far the downloading scripts\nget.\n\nOCR errors are annoying, but at least everything is accessible.\n\n--\ngwern\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<160328.31079.qm@web50605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "jeff", "address": "killbabykill2000 at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-03-24T03:42:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<863159d5bf932a8c7b1cf5a8551197e7.squirrel@email.fatcow.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Gwern Branwen wrote:\nChecking the PDF leads me to\nhttp://www.revolutionsf.com/fiction/eastersunday/01.html" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Which definitely puts itself forth as by Gene Wolfe. The style is\nsimilar, but the twist strikes me as not particularly in Wolfe's vein,\nbut also not implausible enough that I could confidently say it wasn't\nWolfe." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But are you/Wolfe *sure* he didn't write it?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Reading this story sparked a major deja-vu moment for me. I read a story decades ago in Isaac Asimov's \"100 Great Fantasy Short Short Stories\" that follows this story almost exactly. After some digging around on the net (I don't have the book anymore) I found that the story I remembered is \"Displaced Person\" by Eric Frank Russell, originally written for Weird Tales in 1948.\n\nI can't find it posted anywhere online. As I recall in the Russell story it wasn't a priest who sits down next to the exile, and in keeping with the time it was written, the man at first mistakes the stranger for a refugee from Europe. The twist was exactly the same, except the stranger just says who he really is. I remember it as better written than \"Easter Sunday\", which I actually hope now *wasn't* written by Wolfe. \n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rebecca Bushong-Taylor", "address": "rebeccabt01 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-24T04:32:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "<160328.31079.qm@web50605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Initially, Gene didn't remember writing it. It was one of several short\npieces he wrote while he was quite young and a student. When I suggested\nthat it seemed a little heavy-handed and obvious for him, he simply said,\n\"I've written worse\". I'm still wondering what he had in mind....\n\nRebecca" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:42 PM, jeff wrote:\nGwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Checking the PDF leads me to\nhttp://www.revolutionsf.com/fiction/eastersunday/01.html" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Which definitely puts itself forth as by Gene Wolfe. The style is\nsimilar, but the twist strikes me as not particularly in Wolfe's vein,\nbut also not implausible enough that I could confidently say it wasn't\nWolfe." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But are you/Wolfe *sure* he didn't write it?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Reading this story sparked a major deja-vu moment for me. I read a story\ndecades ago in Isaac Asimov's \"100 Great Fantasy Short Short Stories\" that\nfollows this story almost exactly. After some digging around on the net (I\ndon't have the book anymore) I found that the story I remembered is\n\"Displaced Person\" by Eric Frank Russell, originally written for Weird Tales\nin 1948.\n\nI can't find it posted anywhere online. As I recall in the Russell story it\nwasn't a priest who sits down next to the exile, and in keeping with the\ntime it was written, the man at first mistakes the stranger for a refugee\nfrom Europe. The twist was exactly the same, except the stranger just says\nwho he really is. I remember it as better written than \"Easter Sunday\",\nwhich I actually hope now *wasn't* written by Wolfe.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-29T23:09:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe ebooks & stories", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nWhile searching for something entirely else, I ran into\nhttp://bearsite.info/General/Library_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/Wolfe,%20Gene/" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Found one new to me online: \"Unrequited Love\"\nhttp://goldenpigsy.blogspot.com/2010/03/sorcerers-house-by-gene-wolfe.html" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern" } ] } ] }