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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5564, "subject": "the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "messages": 18, "voices": 9, "first": "2010-03-21T00:00:19+00:00", "last": "2010-03-23T16:33:14+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<465250.61566.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2010-03-21T00:00:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Meant to reply to Bene's post..\nThe Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\" almost made me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy that I'd made it through the 12 books!\n?\"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which really did nothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at times...gonna restart the Sun series...\n\n???????? ? ? \n?Mobile — (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype? stuart.hamm\n? ?? " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-21T02:09:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": "<465250.61566.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am really enjoying \"Sorcerer's House\" so far. And by the way Stu, I am a\nlongtime fan of your bass playing. My favorite has to be off the Satriani\nalbum \"Flying In a Blue Dream\". A song I cannot recall the exact title to,\nbut something like \"Back to Shella-Bal\"... Sound familiar?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nMeant to reply to Bene's post..\nThe Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\" almost\nmade me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy that I'd made\nit through the 12 books!\n \"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which really did\nnothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at times...gonna\nrestart the Sun series...\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\n*STUHAMM.COM*\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f1003201931r19f5fcaex7cf117e31d6c9b78@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-21T02:31:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I expect (without any knowledge of it) that the title it \"Back to\nShalla-Bal,\" and a reference to the Silver Surfer." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM, aaron wrote:\nI am really enjoying \"Sorcerer's House\" so far. And by the way Stu, I am a\nlongtime fan of your bass playing. My favorite has to be off the Satriani\nalbum \"Flying In a Blue Dream\". A song I cannot recall the exact title to,\nbut something like \"Back to Shella-Bal\"... Sound familiar?\n\n On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " Meant to reply to Bene's post..\nThe Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\"\nalmost made me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy that I'd\nmade it through the 12 books!\n \"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which really did\nnothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at times...gonna\nrestart the Sun series...\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\n*STUHAMM.COM *\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<109503.92723.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2010-03-21T03:12:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f1003201931r19f5fcaex7cf117e31d6c9b78@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "yes, Shala Bal was Norrin Radd (the Silver Surfer's ) wife....am working on a bass choir version of a Ladysmith Black Mombazo song called \"Back to Shabalalla\".....joseph Shabalalla is/was the lead singer of the South African band....\n\n???????? ? ? \n?Mobile — (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype? stuart.hamm\n? ?? \n\n\n--- On Sat, 3/20/10, John Watkins wrote:\n\nFrom: John Watkins \nSubject: Re: (urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:31 PM\n\nI expect (without any knowledge of it) that the title it \"Back to Shalla-Bal,\" and a reference to the Silver Surfer.\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM, aaron wrote:\n\nI am really enjoying \"Sorcerer's House\" so far. And by the way Stu, I am a longtime fan of your bass playing. My favorite has to be off the Satriani album \"Flying In a Blue Dream\". A song I cannot recall the exact title to, but something like \"Back to Shella-Bal\"...? Sound familiar?\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMeant to reply to Bene's post..\nThe Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\" almost made me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy that I'd made it through the 12 books!\n\n?\"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which really did nothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at times...gonna restart the Sun series...\n\n\n???????? ? ? \n\n\n\nMobile — (415) 786-3624\n\nSTUHAMM.COM\n\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype? stuart.hamm\n\n? ?? " }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Aaron Singleton\n\n\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n\n\n\n-----Inline Attachment Follows-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2010-03-22T14:25:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": "<465250.61566.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Stu, I think I'm going to start the Long and Short again very soon.\n\nI'm sure some of y'all have read those Coloured Fairy Books. I just \npicked up a few (Red, Brown and Green). Some great looking stuff in \nthere. I'm simultaneously hoping they're \"for kids\" enough to read \nthem to my son, and yet interesting enough for me to bother with. I'm \nnot getting much out of reading him Harry Potter. :P\nHe's just learning to read, but he can listen attentively and keep \ntrack of plots really well. We've been reading a bit of Pyles King \nArthur. super cool. (the illustrations in all of these book are awesome)\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 20, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nMeant to reply to Bene's post..\nThe Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\" \nalmost made me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy \nthat I'd made it through the 12 books!\n \"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which \nreally did nothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at \ntimes...gonna restart the Sun series...\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<93d4039f1003220730g4e879f94x6af173019b6f64e7@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-22T14:30:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Do you have D'Aulaire's Book of Greek Myths?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\nStu, I think I'm going to start the Long and Short again very soon.\n\nI'm sure some of y'all have read those Coloured Fairy Books. I just picked\nup a few (Red, Brown and Green). Some great looking stuff in there. I'm\nsimultaneously hoping they're \"for kids\" enough to read them to my son, and\nyet interesting enough for me to bother with. I'm not getting much out of\nreading him Harry Potter. :P\nHe's just learning to read, but he can listen attentively and keep track of\nplots really well. We've been reading a bit of Pyles King Arthur. super\ncool. (the illustrations in all of these book are awesome)\n\n~witz\n\n\n\n\nOn Mar 20, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n\n Meant to reply to Bene's post.." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "The Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\"\nalmost made me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy that I'd\nmade it through the 12 books!\n \"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which really did\nnothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at times...gonna\nrestart the Sun series...\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM \nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2010-03-22T15:21:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f1003220730g4e879f94x6af173019b6f64e7@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "no. but I'm looking for a good one. would you recommend it?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 22, 2010, at 7:30 AM, John Watkins wrote:\nDo you have D'Aulaire's Book of Greek Myths?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Son of Witz ", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-22T15:25:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, very highly. Perfect for kids." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\nno. but I'm looking for a good one. would you recommend it?\n\n\nOn Mar 22, 2010, at 7:30 AM, John Watkins wrote:\n\nDo you have D'Aulaire's Book of Greek Myths?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Son of Witz \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Stu, I think I'm going to start the Long and Short again very soon.\n\nI'm sure some of y'all have read those Coloured Fairy Books. I just picked\nup a few (Red, Brown and Green). Some great looking stuff in there. I'm\nsimultaneously hoping they're \"for kids\" enough to read them to my son, and\nyet interesting enough for me to bother with. I'm not getting much out of\nreading him Harry Potter. :P\nHe's just learning to read, but he can listen attentively and keep track\nof plots really well. We've been reading a bit of Pyles King Arthur. super\ncool. (the illustrations in all of these book are awesome)\n\n~witz\n\n\n\n\nOn Mar 20, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n\nMeant to reply to Bene's post..\nThe Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\"\nalmost made me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy that I'd\nmade it through the 12 books!\n \"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which really did\nnothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at times...gonna\nrestart the Sun series...\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM \nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<909119bc1003220843i2d9418dak23dbb0b9372b4828@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Allan Anderson", "address": "rubel at goosemoon.org" }, "date": "2010-03-22T15:43:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) the beauty of Wolfe's writing", "in_reply_to": "<93d4039f1003220825w1d9c494cjd34e429ec15a5f7d@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I remember that one fondly, but even more so--D'Aulaire's \"Norse Gods and\nGiants\"...or I think it's been re-titled \"Book of Norse Myths\"\n\nAndrew Lang's color fairy books are good stuff; I read many of them as a kid\nmyself.\n\nConsider Michael Berenstain's \"The Troll Book\" as well." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, John Watkins wrote:\nYes, very highly. Perfect for kids.\n\n\nOn Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "no. but I'm looking for a good one. would you recommend it?\n\n\nOn Mar 22, 2010, at 7:30 AM, John Watkins wrote:\n\nDo you have D'Aulaire's Book of Greek Myths?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Son of Witz \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Stu, I think I'm going to start the Long and Short again very soon.\n\nI'm sure some of y'all have read those Coloured Fairy Books. I just\npicked up a few (Red, Brown and Green). Some great looking stuff in there.\nI'm simultaneously hoping they're \"for kids\" enough to read them to my son,\nand yet interesting enough for me to bother with. I'm not getting much out\nof reading him Harry Potter. :P\nHe's just learning to read, but he can listen attentively and keep track\nof plots really well. We've been reading a bit of Pyles King Arthur. super\ncool. (the illustrations in all of these book are awesome)\n\n~witz\n\n\n\n\nOn Mar 20, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n\nMeant to reply to Bene's post..\nThe Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\"\nalmost made me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy that I'd\nmade it through the 12 books!\n \"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which really did\nnothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at times...gonna\nrestart the Sun series...\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM \nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2010-03-22T21:12:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "<909119bc1003220843i2d9418dak23dbb0b9372b4828@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks John & Allan.\nThe D'Aulaires look great. I'll be picking those up for sure.\nWe watched the Jim Henson Storyteller: Greek Myths recently and my son\nloved them. I thought they might leave him cold. A few weeks later he\nrecounted the story of Icarus to me and said \"he shoulda listened to his\nfather\" all seriously. :D\nThese D'Aulaire books look great. There is a Troll one as well.\nThanks for the recommendations.\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, March 22, 2010 11:43 am, Allan Anderson wrote:\nI remember that one fondly, but even more so--D'Aulaire's \"Norse Gods and\nGiants\"...or I think it's been re-titled \"Book of Norse Myths\"\n\nAndrew Lang's color fairy books are good stuff; I read many of them as a\nkid\nmyself.\n\nConsider Michael Berenstain's \"The Troll Book\" as well.\n\nOn Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, John Watkins\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Yes, very highly. Perfect for kids.\n\n\nOn Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Son of Witz\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "no. but I'm looking for a good one. would you recommend it?\n\n\nOn Mar 22, 2010, at 7:30 AM, John Watkins wrote:\n\nDo you have D'Aulaire's Book of Greek Myths?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Son of Witz\n\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Stu, I think I'm going to start the Long and Short again very soon.\n\nI'm sure some of y'all have read those Coloured Fairy Books. I just\npicked up a few (Red, Brown and Green). Some great looking stuff in\nthere.\nI'm simultaneously hoping they're \"for kids\" enough to read them to my\nson,\nand yet interesting enough for me to bother with. I'm not getting much\nout\nof reading him Harry Potter. :P\nHe's just learning to read, but he can listen attentively and keep\ntrack\nof plots really well. We've been reading a bit of Pyles King Arthur.\nsuper\ncool. (the illustrations in all of these book are awesome)\n\n~witz\n\n\n\n\nOn Mar 20, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n\nMeant to reply to Bene's post..\nThe Latrp books never resonated as deeply with me, but \"Silk Nodded\"\nalmost made me cry I'm afraid to say..maybe because i was sad/happy\nthat I'd\nmade it through the 12 books!\n \"Sorcerers...\" is an OK read, liking it better then AEG which really\ndid\nnothing for me and the puzzlebox aspect is offputting at times...gonna\nrestart the Sun series...\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM \nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<0D94558ACC91483DB934943BD5894FC2@eMachinePC>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-22T23:48:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Thanks John & Allan.\nThe D'Aulaires look great. I'll be picking those up for sure.\nWe watched the Jim Henson Storyteller: Greek Myths recently and my son\nloved them. I thought they might leave him cold. A few weeks later he\nrecounted the story of Icarus to me and said \"he shoulda listened to his\nfather\" all seriously. :D" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I miss being able to read to my kids. Fortunately I still have one daughter \nwho is willing to read to ME on long drives.\n\nLet's see (for what it's worth)...\n\nCheck out the Golden Treasury of Myths and Legends by Anne Terry White. It \nincludes Greek myths but also Persian, Nordic, and British stories. The \nillustrations are amazing IMO.\nhttp://www.amazon.com/Golden-Treasury-Legends-Adapted-Classics/dp/B000P4HH9S%3FSubscriptionId%3D15HRV3AZSMPK0GXTY102%26tag%3Die8suggestion-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB000P4HH9S\n\nYou shouldn't miss the opportunity to read all the Winnie the Pooh stories \nto your kids. It's extremely enjoyable for adults but there is an age when a \nkid won't tolerate it.\n\nThe Wizard of Oz stories are obvious choices. You get 14 volumes IIRC by \nBaum, but then after him there's Ruth Plumly Thompson's stories (whom Wolfe \nhas identified as an influence).\n\nDavid Hartwell (Gene Wolfe's editor) produced the twin volumes \"Masterpieces \nof Fantasy and Wonder\" and \"Masterpieces of Fantasy and Enchantment\". They \ncollect fantasy stories from the 19th century to modern times that are all \njust a little bit skewed from all the fantasy that is squarely in Tolkien's \nshadow. The collection includes Wolfe's \"The Detective of Dreams\" for \ninstance. But each volume also has a story by Frank Stockton. \"The Bee Man \nof Orn\" is a story Wolfe would write if he could write stories for children. \nAlso fantasy stories by Baum, Horace Wapole, George McDonald, Lafferty, and \nPhilip K. Dick.\n\nIf your son enjoyed Pyle's King Arthur then he would probably be able to \nappreciate Kenneth Morris' \"The Book of Three Dragons\", a free retelling of \nthe labors of Manawyddan. The scene where Manawyddan confronts the literary \ncritics is perfect.\n\nThere's the Gormenghast trilogy. Some kids (and adults) *really* like it and \nsome don't at all.\n\nThe Complete Grimm Fairy Tales has almost a year's worth of nightly \nreadings. The Windermere Series \"The Arabian Knights Entertainments\" is \nperfect for reading to kids. It includes the stories kids are most likely to \nbe familiar with (unlike Richard Burton's translation which are almost \nunreadable and certainly unreadable to children). But perhaps a better \nchoice is a large volume called \"The Enchanted World: The Greatest Folk and \nFairy Tales\" which combines stories from the Grimms, Arabian Nights, Lang, \nCharles Perault, William Griffs, and others.\n\nSpeaking of which, don't roll you're eyes but the 20 volume Time Life \nEnchanted World series is absolutely *packed* with readable stories from all \nover the world. Some of them are really creepy, which is appealing to boys. \nAnd the illustrations are phenomenal. You can often pick the volumes up at \nused bookstores for as little as $2.\n\nAlso, the graphic novels by Jim Fitzgerald on the myths of Ireland.\n\nI tried hard to convince my wife we needed more kids, and the opportunity to \nread to them and teach them to read was probably my impetus.\n\nJ. " } ] }, { "message_id": "<453084.43145.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2010-03-23T00:49:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "<0D94558ACC91483DB934943BD5894FC2@eMachinePC>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "My 10 year old is allowing me to re-read her \"The Phantom Tollbooth\"...sigh...happy days!\n\n???????? ? ? \n?Mobile — (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype? stuart.hamm\n? ?? \n\n\n--- On Mon, 3/22/10, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: James Wynn \nSubject: Re: (urth) D'Aulaires books\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:48 PM\nThanks John & Allan.\nThe D'Aulaires look great. I'll be picking those up for sure.\nWe watched the Jim Henson Storyteller: Greek Myths recently and my son\nloved them. I thought they might leave him cold. A few weeks later he\nrecounted the story of Icarus to me and said \"he shoulda listened to his\nfather\" all seriously. :D" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I miss being able to read to my kids. Fortunately I still have one daughter who is willing to read to ME on long drives.\n\nLet's see (for what it's worth)...\n\nCheck out the Golden Treasury of Myths and Legends by Anne Terry White. It includes Greek myths but also Persian, Nordic, and British stories. The illustrations are amazing IMO.\nhttp://www.amazon.com/Golden-Treasury-Legends-Adapted-Classics/dp/B000P4HH9S%3FSubscriptionId%3D15HRV3AZSMPK0GXTY102%26tag%3Die8suggestion-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB000P4HH9S\n\nYou shouldn't miss the opportunity to read all the Winnie the Pooh stories to your kids. It's extremely enjoyable for adults but there is an age when a kid won't tolerate it.\n\nThe Wizard of Oz stories are obvious choices. You get 14 volumes IIRC by Baum, but then after him there's Ruth Plumly Thompson's stories (whom Wolfe has identified as an influence).\n\nDavid Hartwell (Gene Wolfe's editor) produced the twin volumes \"Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder\" and \"Masterpieces of Fantasy and Enchantment\". They collect fantasy stories from the 19th century to modern times that are all just a little bit skewed from all the fantasy that is squarely in Tolkien's shadow. The collection includes Wolfe's \"The Detective of Dreams\" for instance. But each volume also has a story by Frank Stockton. \"The Bee Man of Orn\" is a story Wolfe would write if he could write stories for children. Also fantasy stories by Baum, Horace Wapole, George McDonald, Lafferty, and Philip K. Dick.\n\nIf your son enjoyed Pyle's King Arthur then he would probably be able to appreciate Kenneth Morris' \"The Book of Three Dragons\", a free retelling of the labors of Manawyddan. The scene where Manawyddan confronts the literary critics is perfect.\n\nThere's the Gormenghast trilogy. Some kids (and adults) *really* like it and some don't at all.\n\nThe Complete Grimm Fairy Tales has almost a year's worth of nightly readings. The Windermere Series \"The Arabian Knights Entertainments\" is perfect for reading to kids. It includes the stories kids are most likely to be familiar with (unlike Richard Burton's translation which are almost unreadable and certainly unreadable to children). But perhaps a better choice is a large volume called \"The Enchanted World: The Greatest Folk and Fairy Tales\" which combines stories from the Grimms, Arabian Nights, Lang, Charles Perault, William Griffs, and others.\n\nSpeaking of which, don't roll you're eyes but the 20 volume Time Life Enchanted World series is absolutely *packed* with readable stories from all over the world. Some of them are really creepy, which is appealing to boys. And the illustrations are phenomenal. You can often pick the volumes up at used bookstores for as little as $2.\n\nAlso, the graphic novels by Jim Fitzgerald on the myths of Ireland.\n\nI tried hard to convince my wife we needed more kids, and the opportunity to read to them and teach them to read was probably my impetus.\n\nJ. " } ] }, { "message_id": "<3E685CD2-77F8-4521-8EC2-6C0E252BFBFC@butcherbaker.org>", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2010-03-23T02:11:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "<0D94558ACC91483DB934943BD5894FC2@eMachinePC>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks James. I'm saving this post, such great stuff. That must be \ncool to have your daughter reading to you on drives.\n\nI remember those Time Life books a bit, and my wife is incredibly fond \nof them." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 22, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nMy 10 year old is allowing me to re-read her \"The Phantom \nTollbooth\"...sigh...happy days!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I guess it doesn't take long. glad my sons are spread out in age. I \ncan enjoy this for some time yet.\n\n~witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Mar 22, 2010, at 4:48 PM, James Wynn wrote:\nThanks John & Allan.\nThe D'Aulaires look great. I'll be picking those up for sure.\nWe watched the Jim Henson Storyteller: Greek Myths recently and my \nson\nloved them. I thought they might leave him cold. A few weeks later he\nrecounted the story of Icarus to me and said \"he shoulda listened \nto his\nfather\" all seriously. :D" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I miss being able to read to my kids. Fortunately I still have one \ndaughter who is willing to read to ME on long drives.\n\nLet's see (for what it's worth)...\n\nCheck out the Golden Treasury of Myths and Legends by Anne Terry \nWhite. It includes Greek myths but also Persian, Nordic, and British \nstories. The illustrations are amazing IMO.\nhttp://www.amazon.com/Golden-Treasury-Legends-Adapted-Classics/dp/B000P4HH9S%3FSubscriptionId%3D15HRV3AZSMPK0GXTY102%26tag%3Die8suggestion-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB000P4HH9S\n\nYou shouldn't miss the opportunity to read all the Winnie the Pooh \nstories to your kids. It's extremely enjoyable for adults but there \nis an age when a kid won't tolerate it.\n\nThe Wizard of Oz stories are obvious choices. You get 14 volumes \nIIRC by Baum, but then after him there's Ruth Plumly Thompson's \nstories (whom Wolfe has identified as an influence).\n\nDavid Hartwell (Gene Wolfe's editor) produced the twin volumes \n\"Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder\" and \"Masterpieces of Fantasy \nand Enchantment\". They collect fantasy stories from the 19th century \nto modern times that are all just a little bit skewed from all the \nfantasy that is squarely in Tolkien's shadow. The collection \nincludes Wolfe's \"The Detective of Dreams\" for instance. But each \nvolume also has a story by Frank Stockton. \"The Bee Man of Orn\" is a \nstory Wolfe would write if he could write stories for children. Also \nfantasy stories by Baum, Horace Wapole, George McDonald, Lafferty, \nand Philip K. Dick.\n\nIf your son enjoyed Pyle's King Arthur then he would probably be \nable to appreciate Kenneth Morris' \"The Book of Three Dragons\", a \nfree retelling of the labors of Manawyddan. The scene where \nManawyddan confronts the literary critics is perfect.\n\nThere's the Gormenghast trilogy. Some kids (and adults) *really* \nlike it and some don't at all.\n\nThe Complete Grimm Fairy Tales has almost a year's worth of nightly \nreadings. The Windermere Series \"The Arabian Knights Entertainments\" \nis perfect for reading to kids. It includes the stories kids are \nmost likely to be familiar with (unlike Richard Burton's translation \nwhich are almost unreadable and certainly unreadable to children). \nBut perhaps a better choice is a large volume called \"The Enchanted \nWorld: The Greatest Folk and Fairy Tales\" which combines stories \nfrom the Grimms, Arabian Nights, Lang, Charles Perault, William \nGriffs, and others.\n\nSpeaking of which, don't roll you're eyes but the 20 volume Time \nLife Enchanted World series is absolutely *packed* with readable \nstories from all over the world. Some of them are really creepy, \nwhich is appealing to boys. And the illustrations are phenomenal. \nYou can often pick the volumes up at used bookstores for as little \nas $2.\n\nAlso, the graphic novels by Jim Fitzgerald on the myths of Ireland.\n\nI tried hard to convince my wife we needed more kids, and the \nopportunity to read to them and teach them to read was probably my \nimpetus.\n\nJ.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<180006411003221927l109c0a35l579140a228118e08@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Andrew Bryant", "address": "ajustinbryant at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-23T02:27:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "<3E685CD2-77F8-4521-8EC2-6C0E252BFBFC@butcherbaker.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "My kid is negative 3 months and I'm already looking forward to reading\nthrough this list with him. Is it too early to build up the library?\n\nAnyway, thanks for the ideas, James, and everyone. I will only contribute\none title - \"World Tales\" by Idries Shah, the out of print illustrated\nedition, makes great bedtime readings and the illustrations are amazing and\nhaunting, by about 30 different artists.\n\nCosts about 30-40 bucks on Amazon.\n\nhttp://www.amazon.com/WORLD-TALES-Shah-Idries-ed/dp/B000JN9PQI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269311124&sr=8-4\n\nAndrew" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Son of Witz wrote:\nThanks James. I'm saving this post, such great stuff. That must be cool to\nhave your daughter reading to you on drives.\n\nI remember those Time Life books a bit, and my wife is incredibly fond of\nthem.\n\n\nem\n\nOn Mar 22, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n\n My 10 year old is allowing me to re-read her \"The Phantom\nTollbooth\"...sigh...happy days!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I guess it doesn't take long. glad my sons are spread out in age. I can\nenjoy this for some time yet.\n\n~witz\n\n\n\n\nOn Mar 22, 2010, at 4:48 PM, James Wynn wrote:\n\n Thanks John & Allan." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "The D'Aulaires look great. I'll be picking those up for sure.\nWe watched the Jim Henson Storyteller: Greek Myths recently and my son\nloved them. I thought they might leave him cold. A few weeks later he\nrecounted the story of Icarus to me and said \"he shoulda listened to his\nfather\" all seriously. :D" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I miss being able to read to my kids. Fortunately I still have one\ndaughter who is willing to read to ME on long drives.\n\nLet's see (for what it's worth)...\n\nCheck out the Golden Treasury of Myths and Legends by Anne Terry White. It\nincludes Greek myths but also Persian, Nordic, and British stories. The\nillustrations are amazing IMO.\n\nhttp://www.amazon.com/Golden-Treasury-Legends-Adapted-Classics/dp/B000P4HH9S%3FSubscriptionId%3D15HRV3AZSMPK0GXTY102%26tag%3Die8suggestion-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB000P4HH9S\n\nYou shouldn't miss the opportunity to read all the Winnie the Pooh stories\nto your kids. It's extremely enjoyable for adults but there is an age when a\nkid won't tolerate it.\n\nThe Wizard of Oz stories are obvious choices. You get 14 volumes IIRC by\nBaum, but then after him there's Ruth Plumly Thompson's stories (whom Wolfe\nhas identified as an influence).\n\nDavid Hartwell (Gene Wolfe's editor) produced the twin volumes\n\"Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder\" and \"Masterpieces of Fantasy and\nEnchantment\". They collect fantasy stories from the 19th century to modern\ntimes that are all just a little bit skewed from all the fantasy that is\nsquarely in Tolkien's shadow. The collection includes Wolfe's \"The Detective\nof Dreams\" for instance. But each volume also has a story by Frank Stockton.\n\"The Bee Man of Orn\" is a story Wolfe would write if he could write stories\nfor children. Also fantasy stories by Baum, Horace Wapole, George McDonald,\nLafferty, and Philip K. Dick.\n\nIf your son enjoyed Pyle's King Arthur then he would probably be able to\nappreciate Kenneth Morris' \"The Book of Three Dragons\", a free retelling of\nthe labors of Manawyddan. The scene where Manawyddan confronts the literary\ncritics is perfect.\n\nThere's the Gormenghast trilogy. Some kids (and adults) *really* like it\nand some don't at all.\n\nThe Complete Grimm Fairy Tales has almost a year's worth of nightly\nreadings. The Windermere Series \"The Arabian Knights Entertainments\" is\nperfect for reading to kids. It includes the stories kids are most likely to\nbe familiar with (unlike Richard Burton's translation which are almost\nunreadable and certainly unreadable to children). But perhaps a better\nchoice is a large volume called \"The Enchanted World: The Greatest Folk and\nFairy Tales\" which combines stories from the Grimms, Arabian Nights, Lang,\nCharles Perault, William Griffs, and others.\n\nSpeaking of which, don't roll you're eyes but the 20 volume Time Life\nEnchanted World series is absolutely *packed* with readable stories from all\nover the world. Some of them are really creepy, which is appealing to boys.\nAnd the illustrations are phenomenal. You can often pick the volumes up at\nused bookstores for as little as $2.\n\nAlso, the graphic novels by Jim Fitzgerald on the myths of Ireland.\n\nI tried hard to convince my wife we needed more kids, and the opportunity\nto read to them and teach them to read was probably my impetus.\n\nJ.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BA834FF.5080204@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2010-03-23T03:26:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "<453084.43145.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Stuart Hamm wrote:\nMy 10 year old is allowing me to re-read her \"The Phantom \nTollbooth\"...sigh...happy days!\n\n " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Does it still hold up? My wife asked me last night, and I don't know, \nhaving not revisited it in a couple decades, and I haven't dug it out yet.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<87aatzyaq5.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu>", "from": { "name": "Russ Allbery", "address": "rra at stanford.edu" }, "date": "2010-03-23T03:32:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "<4BA834FF.5080204@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Adam Thornton writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Stuart Hamm wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "My 10 year old is allowing me to re-read her \"The Phantom\nTollbooth\"...sigh...happy days!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Does it still hold up? My wife asked me last night, and I don't know,\nhaving not revisited it in a couple decades, and I haven't dug it out\nyet." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I still love it." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Russ Allbery (rra at stanford.edu) " } ] }, { "message_id": "<861067.49484.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2010-03-23T03:50:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "<4BA834FF.5080204@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "great...really enjoying it!\n\n???????? ? ? \n?Mobile — (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype? stuart.hamm\n? ?? \n\n\n--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Adam Thornton wrote:\n\nFrom: Adam Thornton \nSubject: Re: (urth) D'Aulaires books\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:26 PM" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Stuart Hamm wrote:\nMy 10 year old is allowing me to re-read her \"The Phantom Tollbooth\"...sigh...happy days!\n\n? ? ? ? ? ???" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Does it still hold up? My wife asked me last night, and I don't know, having not revisited it in a couple decades, and I haven't dug it out yet.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-03-23T16:33:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) D'Aulaires books", "in_reply_to": "<180006411003221927l109c0a35l579140a228118e08@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "My kid is negative 3 months and I'm already looking forward to reading\nthrough this list with him. Is it too early to build up the library?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Andrew,\n\nSome recomendations based on lessons learned:\n\n1) Don't spend a lot of money on the books initially. Kids are\nabsolute terrors to books. If they like them, they will read them to\ndeath, literally. You cannot train this out of them. They won't grow\nout of this until around 14 at best. When I noticed they took an\nenspecial to one of my books (so that they would read it on their own\ntime), I learned to either buy a new one for myself or buy a cheap\nreaders copy for them.\n\n2) Start reading books with that are mainly pictures.\nWhen your child is almost able to form sentences, start reading Mother\nGoose (perhaps a sturdy board book with cartoon illustratons of\nanimals). Put a tune to each rhyme. Eventually, you will be able to\npoint to the rhyme and she will read it to you (sing, actually).\nAround 3 or four, you can graduate to Shel Silverstein and Eugene\nField.\n\n3) Although we want our kids to appreciate the classics. Have lots of\nbooks around that they can hope to learn to read on their own. PD\nEastman is not Shakespeare, but \"Are You My Mother?\" is a story a 3\nyear old can easily follow and learn to read on her own.\n\n\nCorrection:\nI said:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Also, the graphic novels by Jim Fitzgerald on the myths of Ireland." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's Jim FitzPATRICK." } ] } ] }