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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5601, "subject": "SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "messages": 19, "voices": 11, "first": "2010-05-10T13:50:11+00:00", "last": "2010-05-11T20:52:59+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<436529.12586.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "sean ako", "address": "geoffreyfourmylepyre at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-05-10T13:50:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Urthers,\n\nHas anyone come up with/discussed the idea that most (if not ALL)?Gene Wolfe's stories occur in same universe???That all his stories/novels/novellas etc. are just points on the same timeline? There are so many instances of coincidence and synchronicity, similar names, \"guess appearances\" and the like that that's my interpretation of how all these works interrelate(because they do.)\n\nSEAN\nAKO\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Milton Jackson", "address": "miltonwjackson at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-10T14:12:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<436529.12586.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've thought that from time to time. It's entirely possible. I guess Wolfe\nwould be a little like Edgar Rice Burroughs in that regard in that he has\nmultiple series and worlds set in his universe with at best a tangential\nconnection if any at all even though they seem to occupy the same universe.\nI guess I must be the first person in history ever to compare Wolfe and\nBurroughs." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:50 AM, sean ako wrote:\n Urthers,\n\nHas anyone come up with/discussed the idea that most (if not ALL) Gene\nWolfe's stories occur in same universe? That all his\nstories/novels/novellas etc. are just points on the same timeline? There\nare so many instances of coincidence and synchronicity, similar\nnames, \"guess appearances\" and the like that that's my interpretation of how\nall these works interrelate(because they do.)\n\nSEAN\nAKO\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4356.67.142.130.48.1273501170.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-10T14:19:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "They are both great.\n\nBurroughs wrote the Book of Gold for me.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've thought that from time to time. It's entirely possible. I guess Wolfe\nwould be a little like Edgar Rice Burroughs in that regard in that he has\nmultiple series and worlds set in his universe with at best a tangential\nconnection if any at all even though they seem to occupy the same\nuniverse.\nI guess I must be the first person in history ever to compare Wolfe and\nBurroughs.\n\nOn Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:50 AM, sean ako\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " Urthers,\n\nHas anyone come up with/discussed the idea that most (if not ALL) Gene\nWolfe's stories occur in same universe? That all his\nstories/novels/novellas etc. are just points on the same timeline?\nThere\nare so many instances of coincidence and synchronicity, similar\nnames, \"guess appearances\" and the like that that's my interpretation of\nhow\nall these works interrelate(because they do.)\n\nSEAN\nAKO\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<354457.90652.qm@web37607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Craig Brewer", "address": "cnbrewer at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-05-10T16:00:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<436529.12586.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As I recall, there's an online interview where he addressed this, saying that, in his mind, they weren't all connected, except for the obvious Sun books. I think it may have been specifically about the planets in Fifth Head and Short Sun, where he said they weren't the same and weren't even the in same universe. I specifically remember him saying that they weren't the same planets, but not the bigger point. (Someone with better memory of his interviews could probably provide a link more easily than I could.)\n\nBut who knows...maybe given Father Inire's mirrors and the murkiness of time travel and parallel universe speculation, why not? (But perhaps it becomes meaningless at this point since everything is in the same \"universe\" or \"multi-verse\" with infinite parallel universes, right?)\n\n\n\n\n\n________________________________\nFrom: sean ako \nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSent: Mon, May 10, 2010 8:50:11 AM\nSubject: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\n\n\nUrthers,\n \nHas anyone come up with/discussed the idea that most (if not ALL) Gene Wolfe's stories occur in same universe? That all his stories/novels/novellas etc. are just points on the same timeline? There are so many instances of coincidence and synchronicity, similar names, \"guess appearances\" and the like that that's my interpretation of how all these works interrelate(because they do.)\n \nSEAN\nAKO\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<40fbc413be49f0e571c34fe4995a3ed9.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-10T20:39:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<436529.12586.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Urthers,\n\nHas anyone come up with/discussed the idea that most (if not ALL)?Gene\nWolfe's stories occur in same universe???That all his\nstories/novels/novellas etc. are just points on the same timeline? There\nare so many instances of coincidence and synchronicity, similar\nnames, \"guess appearances\" and the like that that's my interpretation of\nhow all these works interrelate(because they do.)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I like to think that GW is a bit more original than that. There are also\nseveral multi-world structures in his existing works that seem\nincompatible like the Yesod-Briah-Abbadon stack in BOTNS vs THE WIZARD\nKNIGHT's seven-high pile vs the side-by-side arrangement of THERE ARE\nDOORS. Then there are the obsoleted dystopian stories like \"Paul's\nTreehouse\" and \"How The Whip Came Back\" - well, I suppose that \"Whip\"\ncould still happen.\n\nBest,\nJeff" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Milton Jackson", "address": "miltonwjackson at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-10T21:31:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<40fbc413be49f0e571c34fe4995a3ed9.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't see how it's unoriginal for Wolfe to set his works in the same\nuniverse if indeed that's what he did. It's not as if he's copying other\nwriters if the Book of the New Sun and Soldier of the Mist, Soldier of\nArete, and Soldier of Sidon all take place in the same universe at different\ntimes." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\n > Urthers," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Has anyone come up with/discussed the idea that most (if not ALL) Gene\nWolfe's stories occur in same universe? That all his\nstories/novels/novellas etc. are just points on the same timeline? There\nare so many instances of coincidence and synchronicity, similar\nnames, \"guess appearances\" and the like that that's my interpretation of\nhow all these works interrelate(because they do.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I like to think that GW is a bit more original than that. There are also\nseveral multi-world structures in his existing works that seem\nincompatible like the Yesod-Briah-Abbadon stack in BOTNS vs THE WIZARD\nKNIGHT's seven-high pile vs the side-by-side arrangement of THERE ARE\nDOORS. Then there are the obsoleted dystopian stories like \"Paul's\nTreehouse\" and \"How The Whip Came Back\" - well, I suppose that \"Whip\"\ncould still happen.\n\nBest,\nJeff\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BE8B578.2020005@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-11T01:40:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/10/2010 4:31 PM, Milton Jackson wrote:\nI don't see how it's unoriginal for Wolfe to set his works in the same\nuniverse if indeed that's what he did. It's not as if he's copying other\nwriters if the Book of the New Sun and Soldier of the Mist, Soldier of\nArete, and Soldier of Sidon all take place in the same universe at\ndifferent times." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It has become increasingly common for big name SF authors to link \ntogether their various works as if they were intended to form a grand \ndesign from the beginning, lack of continuity or thematic unity be damned.\n\nEven Heinlein, who really did have a grand design in mind fairly early \nin his career, went on to hook up stories unrelated to his Future \nHistory timeline in his later works, which were generally considered \ndigressive and inferior to his previous actioners. Asimov's later \nFoundation sequels branched out to explicitly touch his Robot series and \nsome former stand-alone novels, and the unruly vinculum kept growing \nposthumously, even.\n\nGW certainly has thematic unity enough, but what's the point of hooking \nit all together? It's not like the stories aren't deep enough as it is." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Milton Jackson", "address": "miltonwjackson at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-11T02:49:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<4BE8B578.2020005@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, what of that? Robert Howard tangentially linked his Kull, Bran Mak\nMorn, and Conan series and by extension much of his other work, but each was\nan independent series reflecting in a different way the author's ideas. In a\nsimilar fashion, Edgar Rice Burroughs tangentially linked his Barsoom,\nAmtor, Tarzan, Caspak, Moon Maid, and Pellucidar series. Having multiple\nseries set in the same universe at different times that explore the author's\nideas in different ways is not something that makes the author's work\ncliched. If the Book of the New Sun is set in the same universe as The\nSorcerer's House or An Evil Guest or Pirate's Freedom or even Shields of\nMars, the stories themselves have nothing in common except maybe a common\nuniverse. That detracts nothing form Wolfe's vision as an author or his\noriginality in the conception of his literary worlds." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 5/10/2010 4:31 PM, Milton Jackson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I don't see how it's unoriginal for Wolfe to set his works in the same\nuniverse if indeed that's what he did. It's not as if he's copying other\nwriters if the Book of the New Sun and Soldier of the Mist, Soldier of\nArete, and Soldier of Sidon all take place in the same universe at\ndifferent times." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It has become increasingly common for big name SF authors to link together\ntheir various works as if they were intended to form a grand design from the\nbeginning, lack of continuity or thematic unity be damned.\n\nEven Heinlein, who really did have a grand design in mind fairly early in\nhis career, went on to hook up stories unrelated to his Future History\ntimeline in his later works, which were generally considered digressive and\ninferior to his previous actioners. Asimov's later Foundation sequels\nbranched out to explicitly touch his Robot series and some former\nstand-alone novels, and the unruly vinculum kept growing posthumously, even.\n\nGW certainly has thematic unity enough, but what's the point of hooking it\nall together? It's not like the stories aren't deep enough as it is.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BE8CE8C.4020002@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-11T03:27:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/10/2010 9:49 PM, Milton Jackson wrote:\nWell, what of that? Robert Howard tangentially linked his Kull, Bran Mak\nMorn, and Conan series and by extension much of his other work, but each\nwas an independent series reflecting in a different way the author's\nideas. In a similar fashion, Edgar Rice Burroughs tangentially linked\nhis Barsoom, Amtor, Tarzan, Caspak, Moon Maid, and Pellucidar series.\nHaving multiple series set in the same universe at different times that\nexplore the author's ideas in different ways is not something that makes\nthe author's work cliched. If the Book of the New Sun is set in the same\nuniverse as The Sorcerer's House or An Evil Guest or Pirate's Freedom or\neven Shields of Mars, the stories themselves have nothing in common\nexcept maybe a common universe. That detracts nothing form Wolfe's\nvision as an author or his originality in the conception of his literary\nworlds." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You agree it adds nothing, subracts nothing, and needs nothing in \ncommon. How then can we tell a linkage exists, and why should we even \nbother to check? We could more profitably devote our time to arguing \nabout which Wolfe heroine is the hottest, or which poster is the most \nfacetious? (Besides Brunians, I mean. :P)" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<63FB9AC7E0AEC7459DBCC99DC44247CA0717FF7F@BOSIDEXDB.Bankofscotland.ie>", "from": { "name": "O'Donnell, Tim BOSI", "address": "tim.o'donnell at bankofscotland.ie" }, "date": "2010-05-11T08:26:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<4BE8CE8C.4020002@io.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi Craig,\n\nThere was a Q&A session arranged by Mantis with Gene Wolfe back in 1997 in which the following exchange took place:\n25. \"Does Green/Blue have anything to do with THE FIFTH HEAD OF CERBERUS?\" No. \nhttp://www.urth.net/whorl/archives/v0007/0511.shtml \nIs this what you were thinking of?\n\nBest wishes,\nTim\n_______________________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<158858.14021.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "John Smith", "address": "jsmith2627 at att.net" }, "date": "2010-05-11T11:09:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<4BE8CE8C.4020002@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "--- On Mon, 5/10/10, Jeff Wilson wrote:\n We could more profitably devote our time to arguing about which Wolfe heroine is the hottest\n\n-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n\nFinally a topic worthy of discussion. Hyacinth is definitely the hottest. — Anyone who disagrees is superficial, illiterate, and, in all probability, perverse.\n\nBest wishes,\nJack" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-11T11:12:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<158858.14021.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hyacinth, or star-powered Cassie?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:09 AM, John Smith wrote:\n\n\n\n\n--- On *Mon, 5/10/10, Jeff Wilson * wrote:\n\nWe could more profitably devote our time to arguing about which Wolfe\nheroine is the hottest\n\n-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com \nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n\nFinally a topic worthy of discussion. Hyacinth is definitely the\nhottest. Anyone who disagrees is superficial, illiterate, and, in all\nprobability, perverse.\n\nBest wishes,\nJack\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<421819.19179.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2010-05-11T14:07:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<158858.14021.qm@web180201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I gotta put in a vote for Dsiri..(sp?) from Wizard...but I have issues.....\n\n???????? ? ? \n?Mobile — (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype? stuart.hamm\n? ?? \n\n\n--- On Tue, 5/11/10, John Smith wrote:\n\nFrom: John Smith \nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 4:09 AM\n\n\n\n\n\n--- On Mon, 5/10/10, Jeff Wilson wrote:\n We could more profitably devote our time to arguing about which Wolfe heroine is the hottest\n\n-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n\nFinally a topic worthy of discussion. Hyacinth is definitely the hottest. — Anyone who disagrees is superficial, illiterate, and, in all probability, perverse.\n\nBest wishes,\nJack\n\n-----Inline Attachment Follows-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "<858923.79255.qm@web37606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Craig Brewer", "address": "cnbrewer at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-05-11T14:20:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<421819.19179.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What, grandmothers who've been dead under fetid water for the odd decade or so don't turn you on?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-11T14:21:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<858923.79255.qm@web37606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Honestly, \"creepiest Wolfe love interest\" might be a better thread." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Craig Brewer wrote:\n What, grandmothers who've been dead under fetid water for the odd decade\nor so don't turn you on?\n\n\n ------------------------------\n*From:* Stuart Hamm \n\n*To:* The Urth Mailing List \n*Sent:* Tue, May 11, 2010 9:07:17 AM\n\n*Subject:* Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\n\n I gotta put in a vote for Dsiri..(sp?) from Wizard...but I have\nissues.....\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\n*STUHAMM.COM *\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n\n\n--- On *Tue, 5/11/10, John Smith * wrote:\n\n\nFrom: John Smith \nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 4:09 AM\n\n\n\n\n\n--- On *Mon, 5/10/10, Jeff Wilson * wrote:\n\nWe could more profitably devote our time to arguing about which Wolfe\nheroine is the hottest\n\n-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n\nFinally a topic worthy of discussion. Hyacinth is definitely the\nhottest. Anyone who disagrees is superficial, illiterate, and, in all\nprobability, perverse.\n\nBest wishes,\nJack\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Milton Jackson", "address": "miltonwjackson at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-11T14:25:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<4BE8CE8C.4020002@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, it's as legitimate a point of speculation as anything else. Personally\nI don't care either way, and I don't read the books and stories wondering if\nthey all mesh into the same universe. I just don't think it means Wolfe is\nunoriginal if they are. You are right though about its being an academic\nexercise by and large. More interesting to me by far than whether the\nstories all exist on the same timeline in some metauniverse is how Wolfe\ndevelops his ideas in each and how compelling he makes the presentation." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 5/10/2010 9:49 PM, Milton Jackson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Well, what of that? Robert Howard tangentially linked his Kull, Bran Mak\nMorn, and Conan series and by extension much of his other work, but each\nwas an independent series reflecting in a different way the author's\nideas. In a similar fashion, Edgar Rice Burroughs tangentially linked\nhis Barsoom, Amtor, Tarzan, Caspak, Moon Maid, and Pellucidar series.\nHaving multiple series set in the same universe at different times that\nexplore the author's ideas in different ways is not something that makes\nthe author's work cliched. If the Book of the New Sun is set in the same\nuniverse as The Sorcerer's House or An Evil Guest or Pirate's Freedom or\neven Shields of Mars, the stories themselves have nothing in common\nexcept maybe a common universe. That detracts nothing form Wolfe's\nvision as an author or his originality in the conception of his literary\nworlds." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "You agree it adds nothing, subracts nothing, and needs nothing in common.\nHow then can we tell a linkage exists, and why should we even bother to\ncheck? We could more profitably devote our time to arguing about which Wolfe\nheroine is the hottest, or which poster is the most facetious? (Besides\nBrunians, I mean. :P)\n\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<352190.92492.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Stuart Hamm", "address": "hammstu at sbcglobal.net" }, "date": "2010-05-11T16:10:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<858923.79255.qm@web37606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "See,,,that's why I play instrumental music...words can be misinterpreted... I? NEVER said that grandmothers who've been dead under fetid water for the odd decade or \nso don't turn me on....\n\nJust raising a flag for for Dsiri (SP?)...jet lagged in Tokyo....no brain at the moment\n\n???????? ? ? \n\n? ?? \n\n\n--- On Tue, 5/11/10, Craig Brewer wrote:\n\nFrom: Craig Brewer \nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:20 AM\n\nWhat, grandmothers who've been dead under fetid water for the odd decade or so don't turn you on?\n\n\nFrom: Stuart Hamm \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSent: Tue, May 11, 2010 9:07:17 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\n\n\nI gotta put in a vote for Dsiri..(sp?) from Wizard...but I have issues.....\n\n???????? ? ? \n?Mobile — (415) 786-3624\nSTUHAMM.COM\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype? stuart.hamm\n? ?? \n\n\n--- On Tue, 5/11/10, John Smith\n wrote:\n\nFrom: John Smith \nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 4:09 AM\n\n\n\n\n\n--- On Mon, 5/10/10, Jeff Wilson wrote:\n We could more profitably devote our time to arguing about which Wolfe heroine is the hottest\n\n-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n\nFinally a topic worthy of discussion. Hyacinth is definitely the hottest. — Anyone who disagrees is superficial, illiterate, and, in all probability, perverse.\n\nBest wishes,\nJack\n\n-----Inline Attachment Follows-----\n\n\n\n\n \n-----Inline Attachment Follows-----" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rob Thornton", "address": "oblate777 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-11T16:24:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<352190.92492.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, hypothetically, if a youthful grandma had been resurrected I would\ndefinitely take a second look. :)\n\nRob" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\n See,,,that's why I play instrumental music...words can be\nmisinterpreted... I NEVER said that grandmothers who've been dead under\nfetid water for the odd decade or so don't turn me on....\n\nJust raising a flag for for Dsiri (SP?)...jet lagged in Tokyo....no brain\nat the moment\n\n\n\n\n\n\n--- On *Tue, 5/11/10, Craig Brewer * wrote:\n\n\nFrom: Craig Brewer \n\nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:20 AM\n\n\n What, grandmothers who've been dead under fetid water for the odd decade\nor so don't turn you on?\n\n\n ------------------------------\n*From:* Stuart Hamm \n*To:* The Urth Mailing List \n*Sent:* Tue, May 11, 2010 9:07:17 AM\n*Subject:* Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\n\n I gotta put in a vote for Dsiri..(sp?) from Wizard...but I have\nissues.....\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\n*STUHAMM.COM *\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n\n\n--- On *Tue, 5/11/10, John Smith * wrote:\n\n\nFrom: John Smith \nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Allan Anderson", "address": "rubel at goosemoon.org" }, "date": "2010-05-11T20:52:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?", "in_reply_to": "<352190.92492.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Heh, you people.\n\nBut no, \"are these stories set in the same universe\" has interesting\nimplications: mainly, are the rules the same." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Stuart Hamm wrote:\nSee,,,that's why I play instrumental music...words can be misinterpreted...\nI NEVER said that grandmothers who've been dead under fetid water for the\nodd decade or so don't turn me on....\n\nJust raising a flag for for Dsiri (SP?)...jet lagged in Tokyo....no brain\nat the moment\n\n\n\n\n\n\n--- On *Tue, 5/11/10, Craig Brewer * wrote:\n\n\nFrom: Craig Brewer \n\nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 7:20 AM\n\n\nWhat, grandmothers who've been dead under fetid water for the odd decade or\nso don't turn you on?\n\n\n------------------------------\n*From:* Stuart Hamm \n*To:* The Urth Mailing List \n*Sent:* Tue, May 11, 2010 9:07:17 AM\n*Subject:* Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?\n\nI gotta put in a vote for Dsiri..(sp?) from Wizard...but I have issues.....\n\n\n\nMobile (415) 786-3624\n*STUHAMM.COM*\nFACEBOOK/STUARTHAMM\nmyspace.com/stuhamm\nSkype stuart.hamm\n\n\n\n--- On *Tue, 5/11/10, John Smith * wrote:\n\n\nFrom: John Smith \nSubject: Re: (urth) SINGLE Gene Wolfe literature universe?" } ] } ] }