{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5612", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5612, "subject": "Proper Use of Subject Lines", "messages": 33, "voices": 10, "first": "2010-05-21T12:19:53+00:00", "last": "2010-05-24T16:54:28+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<4BF67A69.6010706@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2010-05-21T12:19:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Proper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes. Is it too much to ask that the subject line be used as intended to promote efficiency of communication and discussion? It has nothing to do with the value of a particular message or discussion." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 8\nDate: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:59:16 -0400\nFrom: John Watkins \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) Gene Wolfe\nMessage-ID:\n\t\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"iso-8859-1\"\n\nI have to agree.\n\nOn Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Craig Brewer wrote:\n\n\nTalk about whatever you want. I don't even care if it ends up in my\nmailbox. I just want to know if I can delete it without having to read it\nfirst. I like to think that emails from a Gene Wolfe mailing list with\n\"Wolfe\" in the subject line might actually be about Wolfe rather than\nsomeone's own personal theology and other peoples' arguments about it." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BF69242.9090304@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-21T14:01:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Proper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BF67A69.6010706@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/21/2010 7:19 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nYes. Is it too much to ask that the subject line be used as intended to\npromote efficiency of communication and discussion?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability and \nthe will to enforce pertinent subject linces. People don't participate \nin discussions to compose and recompose subject lines, they do it to \nspeak their piece." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BF69FD2.5060703@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-21T14:59:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Proper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BF69242.9090304@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nn my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability \nand the will to enforce pertinent subject " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have, in the past, attempted to change the subject lines of threads as \nthey moved OT. Maybe half or less of the participants followed. If the \nparticular email that prompted them to responded did not have a changed \nsubject, they didn't change it. Probably, because they didn't care about \nit as much as me or Mr. Brewer. Or, in the respondents opinion, their \nresponse *did* have to do with the original subject line. Hopeless cause.\n\nOn the upside, it is generally easy to tell when a discussion's wagon \ntrain has moved on. If I've lost interest, I stop following it entirely. \nWith that method --although it's not neat and orderly, the problem is \nmostly solved.\n\nJ." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFA3F31.60805@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T08:56:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Proper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BF69FD2.5060703@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:59 AM, James Wynn wrote:\nOn 5/21/2010 9:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "n my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability\nand the will to enforce pertinent subject\nI have, in the past, attempted to change the subject lines of threads as\nthey moved OT. Maybe half or less of the participants followed. If the\nparticular email that prompted them to responded did not have a changed\nsubject, they didn't change it. Probably, because they didn't care about\nit as much as me or Mr. Brewer. Or, in the respondents opinion, their\nresponse *did* have to do with the original subject line. Hopeless cause." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "it's not a hopeless cause, it just requires enforcement. I do it on \nplaytest discussion lists all the time: I lay out the rules for subject \nlines, ask people nicely to follow them, warn them when they go astray, \nand if they persist in going astray, I send them to the land of \npostings-held-until-released-by-a-moderator to wander in the wilderness \nuntil they see the light." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<39de58ac87ed288fae36a612c71be800.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T09:22:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BFA3F31.60805@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ve must haff DISCIPLINE!\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:59 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "n my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability\nand the will to enforce pertinent subject\nI have, in the past, attempted to change the subject lines of threads as\nthey moved OT. Maybe half or less of the participants followed. If the\nparticular email that prompted them to responded did not have a changed\nsubject, they didn't change it. Probably, because they didn't care about\nit as much as me or Mr. Brewer. Or, in the respondents opinion, their\nresponse *did* have to do with the original subject line. Hopeless\ncause." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "it's not a hopeless cause, it just requires enforcement. I do it on\nplaytest discussion lists all the time: I lay out the rules for subject\nlines, ask people nicely to follow them, warn them when they go astray,\nand if they persist in going astray, I send them to the land of\npostings-held-until-released-by-a-moderator to wander in the wilderness\nuntil they see the light.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<486729.44407.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Craig Brewer", "address": "cnbrewer at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T14:28:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<39de58ac87ed288fae36a612c71be800.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Or courtesy.\n\n\n\n----- Original Message ----\nFrom: \"brunians at brunians.org\" \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSent: Mon, May 24, 2010 4:22:49 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Improper Use of Subject Lines\n\nVe must haff DISCIPLINE!\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:59 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "n my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability\nand the will to enforce pertinent subject\nI have, in the past, attempted to change the subject lines of threads as\nthey moved OT. Maybe half or less of the participants followed. If the\nparticular email that prompted them to responded did not have a changed\nsubject, they didn't change it. Probably, because they didn't care about\nit as much as me or Mr. Brewer. Or, in the respondents opinion, their\nresponse *did* have to do with the original subject line. Hopeless\ncause." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "it's not a hopeless cause, it just requires enforcement. I do it on\nplaytest discussion lists all the time: I lay out the rules for subject\nlines, ask people nicely to follow them, warn them when they go astray,\nand if they persist in going astray, I send them to the land of\npostings-held-until-released-by-a-moderator to wander in the wilderness\nuntil they see the light.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "<3f6e474410edd478c9a3f7264bf827ac.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T14:43:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Unproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<486729.44407.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Or a desire to control things not actually under our control.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Or courtesy.\n\n\n\n----- Original Message ----\nFrom: \"brunians at brunians.org\" \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSent: Mon, May 24, 2010 4:22:49 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Improper Use of Subject Lines\n\nVe must haff DISCIPLINE!\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:59 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "n my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability\nand the will to enforce pertinent subject\nI have, in the past, attempted to change the subject lines of threads\nas\nthey moved OT. Maybe half or less of the participants followed. If the\nparticular email that prompted them to responded did not have a changed\nsubject, they didn't change it. Probably, because they didn't care\nabout\nit as much as me or Mr. Brewer. Or, in the respondents opinion, their\nresponse *did* have to do with the original subject line. Hopeless\ncause." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "it's not a hopeless cause, it just requires enforcement. I do it on\nplaytest discussion lists all the time: I lay out the rules for subject\nlines, ask people nicely to follow them, warn them when they go astray,\nand if they persist in going astray, I send them to the land of\npostings-held-until-released-by-a-moderator to wander in the wilderness\nuntil they see the light.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T15:04:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<39de58ac87ed288fae36a612c71be800.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:22 AM, wrote:\nVe must haff DISCIPLINE!\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:59 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "n my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability\nand the will to enforce pertinent subject\nI have, in the past, attempted to change the subject lines of threads as\nthey moved OT. Maybe half or less of the participants followed. If the\nparticular email that prompted them to responded did not have a changed\nsubject, they didn't change it. Probably, because they didn't care about\nit as much as me or Mr. Brewer. Or, in the respondents opinion, their\nresponse *did* have to do with the original subject line. Hopeless\ncause." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "it's not a hopeless cause, it just requires enforcement. I do it on\nplaytest discussion lists all the time: I lay out the rules for subject\nlines, ask people nicely to follow them, warn them when they go astray,\nand if they persist in going astray, I send them to the land of\npostings-held-until-released-by-a-moderator to wander in the wilderness\nuntil they see the light.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rob Thornton", "address": "oblate777 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T15:06:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Agreed." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nDiscipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing.\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:22 AM, ? wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Ve must haff DISCIPLINE!\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:59 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "n my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability\nand the will to enforce pertinent subject\nI have, in the past, attempted to change the subject lines of threads as\nthey moved OT. Maybe half or less of the participants followed. If the\nparticular email that prompted them to responded did not have a changed\nsubject, they didn't change it. Probably, because they didn't care about\nit as much as me or Mr. Brewer. Or, in the respondents opinion, their\nresponse *did* have to do with the original subject line. Hopeless\ncause." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "it's not a hopeless cause, it just requires enforcement. I do it on\nplaytest discussion lists all the time: I lay out the rules for subject\nlines, ask people nicely to follow them, warn them when they go astray,\nand if they persist in going astray, I send them to the land of\npostings-held-until-released-by-a-moderator to wander in the wilderness\nuntil they see the light.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFA9822.9060700@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T15:15:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines. I \nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior \nrather having self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with \nextensive homeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who \nmemorized them? Ever had someone yell at you because your Yorkshire \nTerrier, walking at your feet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nDiscipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing.\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T15:17:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BFA9822.9060700@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:\nBut then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines. I\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior rather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them? Ever\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at your\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFAA128.7020403@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T15:54:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, it is true that a righteous society is a free society, but I guess \nI understood the issue to be what happens When Subject Lines Go Bad." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 10:17 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nYou misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines. I\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior rather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them? Ever\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at your\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing.\n\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<9f134441959e844b99f999680bcba7b4.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:13:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Exproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Explain to me how you can use the words 'voluntary' and 'enforced'\ntogether and make sense.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Agreed.\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing.\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:22 AM, ? wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Ve must haff DISCIPLINE!\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:59 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "On 5/21/2010 9:01 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "n my experience, it is unless you have a moderator with the ability\nand the will to enforce pertinent subject\nI have, in the past, attempted to change the subject lines of threads\nas\nthey moved OT. Maybe half or less of the participants followed. If\nthe\nparticular email that prompted them to responded did not have a\nchanged\nsubject, they didn't change it. Probably, because they didn't care\nabout\nit as much as me or Mr. Brewer. Or, in the respondents opinion, their\nresponse *did* have to do with the original subject line. Hopeless\ncause." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "it's not a hopeless cause, it just requires enforcement. I do it on\nplaytest discussion lists all the time: I lay out the rules for\nsubject\nlines, ask people nicely to follow them, warn them when they go\nastray,\nand if they persist in going astray, I send them to the land of\npostings-held-until-released-by-a-moderator to wander in the\nwilderness\nuntil they see the light.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:15:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "L'audace! Encore l'audace!\nToujours l'audace!\n\n-- Danton\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines. I\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at your\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:17:46+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nonproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BFAA128.7020403@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think we should have regular self-criticism sessions.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, it is true that a righteous society is a free society, but I guess\nI understood the issue to be what happens When Subject Lines Go Bad.\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:17 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at your\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "John Watkins", "address": "john.watkins04 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:20:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nonproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think you should stop spamming the list." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:17 PM, wrote:\nI think we should have regular self-criticism sessions.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Well, it is true that a righteous society is a free society, but I guess\nI understood the issue to be what happens When Subject Lines Go Bad.\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:17 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at your\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:21:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Perhaps it would help if I explained that \"voluntary enforcement\" is a\nfancy way of saying \"civilized behavior.\"\n\nProbably not, though.\n\n--Dan'l" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM, wrote:\nL'audace! Encore l'audace!\nToujours l'audace!\n\n-- Danton\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines. I\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at your\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<80b606560b8465e385343e6327beed47.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:26:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Superproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If you don't want a thread to continue, don't follow it up.\n\nIt is the only way.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I think you should stop spamming the list.\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:17 PM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I think we should have regular self-criticism sessions.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Well, it is true that a righteous society is a free society, but I\nguess\nI understood the issue to be what happens When Subject Lines Go Bad.\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:17 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I\nmean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject\nlines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good\nbehavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with\nextensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized\nthem?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at\nyour\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<0d4879f06c8cf2df20e22f08ae807f91.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:29:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's not, though.\n\nIt is a contradiction in terms.\n\nIt verges on newspeak.\n\nSomething that is voluntary is done of one's free will.\n\nSomething that is enforced is done will ye or nil ye.\n\nSo what is something that is voluntarily enforced?\n\nYou either want something to be done voluntarily, or you want it to be\nenforced.\n\nYou can't have it both ways.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Perhaps it would help if I explained that \"voluntary enforcement\" is a\nfancy way of saying \"civilized behavior.\"\n\nProbably not, though.\n\n--Dan'l\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "L'audace! Encore l'audace!\nToujours l'audace!\n\n-- Danton\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at\nyour\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:30:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<0d4879f06c8cf2df20e22f08ae807f91.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm sorry you're so trapped in semantics. Meditation might help." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:29 AM, wrote:\nIt's not, though.\n\nIt is a contradiction in terms.\n\nIt verges on newspeak.\n\nSomething that is voluntary is done of one's free will.\n\nSomething that is enforced is done will ye or nil ye.\n\nSo what is something that is voluntarily enforced?\n\nYou either want something to be done voluntarily, or you want it to be\nenforced.\n\nYou can't have it both ways.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Perhaps it would help if I explained that \"voluntary enforcement\" is a\nfancy way of saying \"civilized behavior.\"\n\nProbably not, though.\n\n--Dan'l\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM, ? wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "L'audace! Encore l'audace!\nToujours l'audace!\n\n-- Danton\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at\nyour\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:34:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<0d4879f06c8cf2df20e22f08ae807f91.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Something is enforced if there is a penalty for failure to comply.\nYou are still free (in terms of will and capacity) to not comply; you\nmust merely suffer the consequences.\n\nLet me put it another way: you are free to disobey the law, id est,\nto commit a crime. You must, however, \"do the time\" if you have \"done\nthe crime,\" as the cliche goes.\n\nYou may voluntarily comport yourself with dignity and class. You may\nof course also fail to do so and be a boor. That is your prerogative,\nand none shall gainsay you your boorishness, for while it may be\nagainst the mores of good taste, one may not enforce good manners.\n\nOne voluntarily enforces, therefore, a sense of good character in how\none comports onesself if one self-legislates a moraltiy consistent\nwith civility, pace Kant. You must act at all times as if the maxim\nof your actions could be willed as universal law. Therefore, though\nyou may not be subject to compulsion to play nicely, it is eminently\nrational and proper for you to compel yourself to do so, should some\nbase nature suggest otherwise.\n\nyvt,\nLane" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM, wrote:\nIt's not, though.\n\nIt is a contradiction in terms.\n\nIt verges on newspeak.\n\nSomething that is voluntary is done of one's free will.\n\nSomething that is enforced is done will ye or nil ye.\n\nSo what is something that is voluntarily enforced?\n\nYou either want something to be done voluntarily, or you want it to be\nenforced.\n\nYou can't have it both ways.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Perhaps it would help if I explained that \"voluntary enforcement\" is a\nfancy way of saying \"civilized behavior.\"\n\nProbably not, though.\n\n--Dan'l\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM, ? wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "L'audace! Encore l'audace!\nToujours l'audace!\n\n-- Danton\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with extensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at\nyour\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:36:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's either Monday or there is a full moon out..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Lane Haygood wrote:\nSomething is enforced if there is a penalty for failure to comply.\nYou are still free (in terms of will and capacity) to not comply; you\nmust merely suffer the consequences.\n\nLet me put it another way: you are free to disobey the law, id est,\nto commit a crime. You must, however, \"do the time\" if you have \"done\nthe crime,\" as the cliche goes.\n\nYou may voluntarily comport yourself with dignity and class. You may\nof course also fail to do so and be a boor. That is your prerogative,\nand none shall gainsay you your boorishness, for while it may be\nagainst the mores of good taste, one may not enforce good manners.\n\nOne voluntarily enforces, therefore, a sense of good character in how\none comports onesself if one self-legislates a moraltiy consistent\nwith civility, pace Kant. You must act at all times as if the maxim\nof your actions could be willed as universal law. Therefore, though\nyou may not be subject to compulsion to play nicely, it is eminently\nrational and proper for you to compel yourself to do so, should some\nbase nature suggest otherwise.\n\nyvt,\nLane\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "It's not, though.\n\nIt is a contradiction in terms.\n\nIt verges on newspeak.\n\nSomething that is voluntary is done of one's free will.\n\nSomething that is enforced is done will ye or nil ye.\n\nSo what is something that is voluntarily enforced?\n\nYou either want something to be done voluntarily, or you want it to be\nenforced.\n\nYou can't have it both ways.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " >\nPerhaps it would help if I explained that \"voluntary enforcement\" is a\nfancy way of saying \"civilized behavior.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Probably not, though.\n\n--Dan'l\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "L'audace! Encore l'audace!\nToujours l'audace!\n\n-- Danton\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I mean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject\nlines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with\nextensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized them?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at\nyour\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:36:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Why do you feel that I am trapped? As far as I know I am just trying to\nhelpful, but I suppose I may be trapped without knowing it. Let us\ninvestigate this question further.\n\nYour second remark is curious.\n\nWho do you feel that meditation may help?\n\nAnd help with what? It is a puzzling comment. Could you expand upon it?\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I'm sorry you're so trapped in semantics. Meditation might help.\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:29 AM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "It's not, though.\n\nIt is a contradiction in terms.\n\nIt verges on newspeak.\n\nSomething that is voluntary is done of one's free will.\n\nSomething that is enforced is done will ye or nil ye.\n\nSo what is something that is voluntarily enforced?\n\nYou either want something to be done voluntarily, or you want it to be\nenforced.\n\nYou can't have it both ways.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Perhaps it would help if I explained that \"voluntary enforcement\" is a\nfancy way of saying \"civilized behavior.\"\n\nProbably not, though.\n\n--Dan'l\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM, ? wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "L'audace! Encore l'audace!\nToujours l'audace!\n\n-- Danton\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I\nmean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject\nlines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good\nbehavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with\nextensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized\nthem?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at\nyour\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2b7b97daebc90726c538bdaaa4282f7d.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:37:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Lane, this doesn't make any sense to me.\n\nI'm sorry.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Something is enforced if there is a penalty for failure to comply.\nYou are still free (in terms of will and capacity) to not comply; you\nmust merely suffer the consequences.\n\nLet me put it another way: you are free to disobey the law, id est,\nto commit a crime. You must, however, \"do the time\" if you have \"done\nthe crime,\" as the cliche goes.\n\nYou may voluntarily comport yourself with dignity and class. You may\nof course also fail to do so and be a boor. That is your prerogative,\nand none shall gainsay you your boorishness, for while it may be\nagainst the mores of good taste, one may not enforce good manners.\n\nOne voluntarily enforces, therefore, a sense of good character in how\none comports onesself if one self-legislates a moraltiy consistent\nwith civility, pace Kant. You must act at all times as if the maxim\nof your actions could be willed as universal law. Therefore, though\nyou may not be subject to compulsion to play nicely, it is eminently\nrational and proper for you to compel yourself to do so, should some\nbase nature suggest otherwise.\n\nyvt,\nLane\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "It's not, though.\n\nIt is a contradiction in terms.\n\nIt verges on newspeak.\n\nSomething that is voluntary is done of one's free will.\n\nSomething that is enforced is done will ye or nil ye.\n\nSo what is something that is voluntarily enforced?\n\nYou either want something to be done voluntarily, or you want it to be\nenforced.\n\nYou can't have it both ways.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Perhaps it would help if I explained that \"voluntary enforcement\" is a\nfancy way of saying \"civilized behavior.\"\n\nProbably not, though.\n\n--Dan'l\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM, ? wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "L'audace! Encore l'audace!\nToujours l'audace!\n\n-- Danton\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "You misunderstood what I mean by \"voluntarily enforced.\" I do _not_\nmean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I\nmean\na situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.\n\n\nOn Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject\nlines.\nI\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good\nbehavior\nrather\nhaving self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with\nextensive\nhomeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized\nthem?\nEver\nhad someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at\nyour\nfeet, is not on a leash? (\"It's the LAW!\")\n\nOn 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFAABD4.80207@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:39:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BFA9822.9060700@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 10:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:\nBut then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines. I\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather having self-appointed cops." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ranjit-appointed cops would be ideal, avoiding numerous of the \npathologies you mention." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<3190e77f253468c35d207c33668cc628.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:39:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BFAABD4.80207@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh cool!\n\nNow we're going to have cops!\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 10:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines. I\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather having self-appointed cops." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Ranjit-appointed cops would be ideal, avoiding numerous of the\npathologies you mention.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFAAC89.7030105@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:42:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Superproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<80b606560b8465e385343e6327beed47.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 11:26 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nIf you don't want a thread to continue, don't follow it up.\n\nIt is the only way." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I must agree my experience bears this out; do not feed the energy creature." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFAACEE.2050105@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:44:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<0d4879f06c8cf2df20e22f08ae807f91.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 11:29 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nIt is a contradiction in terms." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": ".." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "You can't have it both ways." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Apparently you think you can, condemning voluntary enforcement while \nmaintaining actual existence of the supernatural." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFAADA7.7090309@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:47:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BFAABD4.80207@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 11:39 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 5/24/2010 10:15 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject lines. I\nthink it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good behavior\nrather having self-appointed cops." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Ranjit-appointed cops would be ideal, avoiding numerous of the \npathologies you mention." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I suppose it *might* be ideal. But ideal solutions, by definition, are \nusually impractical. You have cops, but then you have to have judges \nwhen someone says the cop reacted improperly. Unless you have Judge \nDread for your cop I don't want to go there. I think Josh had the best \nsolution:\n\nIf you want a thread to die, ignore it. Eventually, it will. They always \ndo. These feral thread usually crank up when there is not a lot of \ninteresting conversation on the list. So, there's really little harm in \nignoring them.\n\nIn the meantime, I'll continue to use \"OT\" to designate off-topic \nconversations. Even though it is only blowing against the wind, at least \nit's not pissing against the wind.\n\nJ." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1c7f3b993fe163dd43f83676d8d6c8c9.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:49:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BFAACEE.2050105@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I can't make sense of this remark either.\n\nAs I have stated, I don't believe in anything supernatural. Everything\nthat is is natural. Some bits of nature are not well known or poorly\ndocumented, or people don't believe the documentation anymore.\n\nAlso, I fail to see how condemning or approving of the mind-crackling\nconcept of voluntary enforcement has anything to do with maintaining\nactual existence of the supernatural, and wish you would explain exactly\nwhat you mean by that.\n\nIt seems to me that there is something missing from your second sentence.\nPerhaps 'belief in' after 'maintaining'? If not, I really don't know what\nto make of it.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 11:29 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "It is a contradiction in terms." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": ".." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "You can't have it both ways." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Apparently you think you can, condemning voluntary enforcement while\nmaintaining actual existence of the supernatural.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFAAE41.2070001@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:50:09+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<3190e77f253468c35d207c33668cc628.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 11:39 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nOh cool!\n\nNow we're going to have cops!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Not the state force monopoly kind, more like the proprietory syndicalist \nkind." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:50:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) OT: Improper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4BFAAE41.2070001@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Are these police going to be secret police or not so secret police?\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 11:39 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Oh cool!\n\nNow we're going to have cops!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Not the state force monopoly kind, more like the proprietory syndicalist\nkind.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BFAAF44.8050006@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-05-24T16:54:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines", "in_reply_to": "<1c7f3b993fe163dd43f83676d8d6c8c9.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/24/2010 11:49 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:\nI can't make sense of this remark either.\n\nAs I have stated, I don't believe in anything supernatural. Everything\nthat is is natural. Some bits of nature are not well known or poorly\ndocumented, or people don't believe the documentation anymore.\n\nAlso, I fail to see how condemning or approving of the mind-crackling\nconcept of voluntary enforcement has anything to do with maintaining\nactual existence of the supernatural, and wish you would explain exactly\nwhat you mean by that.\n\nIt seems to me that there is something missing from your second sentence.\nPerhaps 'belief in' after 'maintaining'? If not, I really don't know what\nto make of it." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was speaking of the usage of the phrases, not the concepts they \npurport to describe." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] } ] }