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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5674, "subject": "Nazca Lines", "messages": 10, "voices": 5, "first": "2010-07-24T03:51:22+00:00", "last": "2010-07-24T19:39:08+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2010-07-24T03:51:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery\nof the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in \nsouthern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they did a \nlot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think of \nApu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.\n \nThe general anthropological conclusion is that these people resorted \nto massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever increased-sized line\ndrawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred\nyears as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving \nculture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly asserting\nitself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense religious \nexpressions each year as they realized the previous year's head chop \nsacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the deities.\n \nThe research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe to create\nUrth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought. But\nperhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had an impact\non him. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C4AD656.8050005@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2010-07-24T12:02:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe, for \nexample. But yes, it fits neatly.\n\nOne minor problem with a South American location is that those signs are \nalmost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region. But \nif they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that might \nsolve the problem." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:\nI was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery\nof the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in \nsouthern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they did a \nlot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think of \nApu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.\n \nThe general anthropological conclusion is that these people resorted \nto massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever increased-sized line\ndrawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred\nyears as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving \nculture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly asserting\nitself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense religious \nexpressions each year as they realized the previous year's head chop \nsacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the deities.\n \nThe research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe to create\nUrth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought. But\nperhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had an impact\non him. \t\t \t \t\t \n_________________________________________________________________\nHotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox.\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-07-24T12:10:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4C4AD656.8050005@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe," }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " for\nexample. But yes, it fits neatly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "One minor problem with a South American location is that those signs are\nalmost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region. But\nif they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that might\nsolve the problem." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over the\ndates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.\n\nThe construction of this city is remarkably advanced.\n\nIt is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of course\nthe units used are different.\n\nThe city is a port.\n\nThe last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred\nmiles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery\nof the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in\nsouthern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they did a\nlot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think of\nApu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.\n\nThe general anthropological conclusion is that these people resorted\nto massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever increased-sized\nline\ndrawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred\nyears as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving\nculture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly\nasserting\nitself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense\nreligious\nexpressions each year as they realized the previous year's head chop\nsacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the deities.\n\nThe research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe to\ncreate\nUrth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought. But\nperhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had an\nimpact\non him.\n_________________________________________________________________\nHotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from\nyour inbox.\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Pereira", "address": "domus_artemis at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2010-07-24T17:22:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Why is it a port?\n\n \n\n \n\nPedro" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "for\nexample. But yes, it fits neatly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "One minor problem with a South American location is that those signs are\nalmost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region. But\nif they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that might\nsolve the problem." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over the\ndates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.\n\nThe construction of this city is remarkably advanced.\n\nIt is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of course\nthe units used are different.\n\nThe city is a port.\n\nThe last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred\nmiles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery\nof the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in\nsouthern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they did a\nlot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think of\nApu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.\n\nThe general anthropological conclusion is that these people resorted\nto massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever increased-sized\nline\ndrawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred\nyears as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving\nculture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly\nasserting\nitself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense\nreligious\nexpressions each year as they realized the previous year's head chop\nsacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the deities.\n\nThe research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe to\ncreate\nUrth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought. But\nperhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had an\nimpact\non him.\n_________________________________________________________________\nHotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from\nyour inbox.\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-07-24T17:31:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Because they built it that way.\n\nPerhaps I do not understand you.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Why is it a port?\n\n\n\n\n\nPedro" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "for\nexample. But yes, it fits neatly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "One minor problem with a South American location is that those signs\nare\nalmost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region. But\nif they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that might\nsolve the problem." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over\nthe\ndates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.\n\nThe construction of this city is remarkably advanced.\n\nIt is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of\ncourse\nthe units used are different.\n\nThe city is a port.\n\nThe last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred\nmiles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery\nof the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in\nsouthern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they\ndid a\nlot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think of\nApu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.\n\nThe general anthropological conclusion is that these people resorted\nto massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever increased-sized\nline\ndrawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred\nyears as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving\nculture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly\nasserting\nitself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense\nreligious\nexpressions each year as they realized the previous year's head chop\nsacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the\ndeities.\n\nThe research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe to\ncreate\nUrth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought. But\nperhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had an\nimpact\non him.\n_________________________________________________________________\nHotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from\nyour inbox.\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Pereira", "address": "domus_artemis at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2010-07-24T17:38:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From all I've read, the idea that the city is a port seems to be based on little. It was first proposed by Posnansky in the 40's but the evidence is far from conclusive. Some of his assumptions have actually been disputed by more recent geomorphological studies. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \n\nThis links resume well some of the evidence:\n\n \n\nhttp://members.cox.net/pyrophyllite/Tiwanaku.html\n\n \n\nIt also seems that the actual lake port was at Iwawe, which was connected by road to Tiwanaku (according to Browman, 1981).\n\n \n\nI don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the city was built as a pot at all.\n\n \n\nAlso, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:31:44 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines\n\nBecause they built it that way.\n\nPerhaps I do not understand you.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Why is it a port?\n\n\n\n\n\nPedro" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "for\nexample. But yes, it fits neatly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "One minor problem with a South American location is that those signs\nare\nalmost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region. But\nif they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that might\nsolve the problem." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over\nthe\ndates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.\n\nThe construction of this city is remarkably advanced.\n\nIt is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of\ncourse\nthe units used are different.\n\nThe city is a port.\n\nThe last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred\nmiles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery\nof the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in\nsouthern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they\ndid a\nlot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think of\nApu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.\n\nThe general anthropological conclusion is that these people resorted\nto massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever increased-sized\nline\ndrawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred\nyears as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving\nculture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly\nasserting\nitself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense\nreligious\nexpressions each year as they realized the previous year's head chop\nsacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the\ndeities.\n\nThe research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe to\ncreate\nUrth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought. But\nperhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had an\nimpact\non him.\n_________________________________________________________________\nHotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from\nyour inbox.\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2da50496d218f60781591d8983b4b081.squirrel@brunians.org>", "from": { "name": "brunians at brunians.org", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2010-07-24T17:42:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As I mentioned, it is controversial.\n\nI am well aware, thank you, of the history of the controversy.\n\nIf you have any knowledge about this - you personally - I would be more\nthan happy to hear what you have to say.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From all I've read, the idea that the city is a port seems to be based on\nlittle. It was first proposed by Posnansky in the 40's but the evidence is\nfar from conclusive. Some of his assumptions have actually been disputed\nby more recent geomorphological studies.\n\n\n\nThis links resume well some of the evidence:\n\n\n\nhttp://members.cox.net/pyrophyllite/Tiwanaku.html\n\n\n\nIt also seems that the actual lake port was at Iwawe, which was connected\nby road to Tiwanaku (according to Browman, 1981).\n\n\n\nI don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the\ncity was built as a pot at all.\n\n\n\nAlso, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:31:44 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines\n\nBecause they built it that way.\n\nPerhaps I do not understand you.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Why is it a port?\n\n\n\n\n\nPedro" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "for\nexample. But yes, it fits neatly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "One minor problem with a South American location is that those\nsigns\nare\nalmost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But\nif they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that\nmight\nsolve the problem." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over\nthe\ndates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.\n\nThe construction of this city is remarkably advanced.\n\nIt is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of\ncourse\nthe units used are different.\n\nThe city is a port.\n\nThe last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred\nmiles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery\nof the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in\nsouthern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they\ndid a\nlot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think\nof\nApu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.\n\nThe general anthropological conclusion is that these people\nresorted\nto massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever\nincreased-sized\nline\ndrawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred\nyears as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving\nculture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly\nasserting\nitself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense\nreligious\nexpressions each year as they realized the previous year's head\nchop\nsacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the\ndeities.\n\nThe research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe\nto\ncreate\nUrth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But\nperhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had\nan\nimpact\non him." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "_________________________________________________________________\nHotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more\nfrom\nyour inbox.\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Pereira", "address": "domus_artemis at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2010-07-24T17:49:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "<2da50496d218f60781591d8983b4b081.squirrel@brunians.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nope, I don't have any personal experience or first hand knowlege about it. It just seemed that you were presenting the \"city as a port\" as fact instead of as an hypothesis (and one that seem rather weak, although still a possibility)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:42:39 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines\n\nAs I mentioned, it is controversial.\n\nI am well aware, thank you, of the history of the controversy.\n\nIf you have any knowledge about this - you personally - I would be more\nthan happy to hear what you have to say.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "From all I've read, the idea that the city is a port seems to be based on\nlittle. It was first proposed by Posnansky in the 40's but the evidence is\nfar from conclusive. Some of his assumptions have actually been disputed\nby more recent geomorphological studies.\n\n\n\nThis links resume well some of the evidence:\n\n\n\nhttp://members.cox.net/pyrophyllite/Tiwanaku.html\n\n\n\nIt also seems that the actual lake port was at Iwawe, which was connected\nby road to Tiwanaku (according to Browman, 1981).\n\n\n\nI don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the\ncity was built as a pot at all.\n\n\n\nAlso, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:31:44 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines\n\nBecause they built it that way.\n\nPerhaps I do not understand you.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Why is it a port?\n\n\n\n\n\nPedro" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:10:28 -0400\nFrom: brunians at brunians.org\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Of course, head chopping is just about everywhere---Celtic Europe," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "And if the story were set in Europe, that would be something to say." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "for\nexample. But yes, it fits neatly." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "One minor problem with a South American location is that those\nsigns\nare\nalmost eternal, and they would always be famous around the region." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "But\nif they lie under water (or ice), or if 20,000 years pass, that\nmight\nsolve the problem." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "As all here should be aware, there is a longstanding controversy over\nthe\ndates of Tiahuanaco or whatever they are calling it these days.\n\nThe construction of this city is remarkably advanced.\n\nIt is modular: like modern concrete block construction, although of\ncourse\nthe units used are different.\n\nThe city is a port.\n\nThe last time the lake was anywhere near it - as in, within a hundred\nmiles - was twelve thousand years ago or so.\n\n." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "I was just watching a National Geographic special on the mystery\nof the gigantic, many kilometers-long Nazca desert drawings in\nsouthern Peru. I thought about the Sun series, mostly because they\ndid a\nlot of re-enactment with local, native actors and it made me think\nof\nApu-Punchau, as this is pretty much his territory.\n\nThe general anthropological conclusion is that these people\nresorted\nto massive head-chopping sacrifices and probably ever\nincreased-sized\nline\ndrawings to influence the weather. The area spent several hundred\nyears as a rather verdant, well-watered place allowing a thriving\nculture to establish itself. Then the desert started relentlessly\nasserting\nitself. They tried in vain to placate the gods with more intense\nreligious\nexpressions each year as they realized the previous year's head\nchop\nsacrifices and line drawing were not sufficient to please the\ndeities.\n\nThe research conclusions are too recent to have influenced Wolfe\nto\ncreate\nUrth with its dying sun or The Whorl and its progressive drought." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "But\nperhaps the South American native propensity for head chopping had\nan\nimpact\non him." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "_________________________________________________________________\nHotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more\nfrom\nyour inbox.\nhttp://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C4B3F21.2030701@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-07-24T19:29:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/24/2010 12:38 PM, Pedro Pereira wrote:\nI don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the\ncity was built as a pot at all.\n\nAlso, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The narrow, deep canal-streets are consistent with the use of gondolas, \nwhich would have been the most efficient means of transport via the \nfixed-width stargates before the Goa'uld were able to appropriate large \nnumbers of aerospacecraft." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Pereira", "address": "domus_artemis at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2010-07-24T19:39:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Nazca Lines", "in_reply_to": "<4C4B3F21.2030701@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Now everything makes sense!\n\n \n\nPedro" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:29:37 -0500\nFrom: jwilson at io.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) Nazca Lines\n\nOn 7/24/2010 12:38 PM, Pedro Pereira wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I don't know, but I don't see conclusive evidence for stating that the\ncity was built as a pot at all.\n\nAlso, the city is about 10-12 km from the lake." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The narrow, deep canal-streets are consistent with the use of gondolas, \nwhich would have been the most efficient means of transport via the \nfixed-width stargates before the Goa'uld were able to appropriate large \nnumbers of aerospacecraft.\n\n-- \nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nIEEE Student Chapter Blog at\n< http://ieeetamut.org >\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }