Universes inside a black hole

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote: A theory that the Big Bang occurred -- and our universe exists -- ?within a black hole. I don't think it maps precisely to the cosmology of either the Sun Cycle or the Wizard Knight, but it has resonances for each. Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727703.000-every-black-hole-may-hold-a-hidden-universe.html A theory that the Big Bang occurred -- and our universe exists -- within a black hole. I don't think it maps precisely to the cosmology of either the Sun Cycle or the Wizard Knight, but it has resonances for each. Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic. ᚹ _______________________________________________

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727703.000-every-black-hole-may-hold-a-hidden-universe.html A theory that the Big Bang occurred -- and our universe exists -- within a black hole. I don't think it maps precisely to the cosmology of either the Sun Cycle or the Wizard Knight, but it has resonances for each. Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic. ᚹ _______________________________________________

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:

A theory that the Big Bang occurred -- and our universe exists -- ?within a black hole. I don't think it maps precisely to the cosmology of either the Sun Cycle or the Wizard Knight, but it has resonances for each. Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic.

...or even Mormon. -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________

Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic.

...or even Mormon

Each black hole contains a World. It is not known if these are identical with the parallel Worlds. Probably.

Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic.

...or even Mormon

Well, as I understand it, Mormon's believe in succession of gods who preside over their own planets and humanity. But not a succession of universes -- comparable to gnostic aeons. ᚹ _______________________________________________

Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic.

...or even Mormon

Well, as I understand it, Mormon's believe in succession of gods who preside over their own planets and humanity. But not a succession of universes -- comparable to gnostic aeons. ᚹ _______________________________________________

Each black hole contains a World. It is not known if these are identical with the parallel Worlds. Probably.

Do you mean in the sense that their histories would be roughly compatible? I'm not sure there could be any guarantee of that. ᚹ _______________________________________________

On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: The Mormons have knowledge.

On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Steven Bowen wrote: On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:

The Mormons have knowledge.

I'm sorry, but I have to deny this. I was brought up Mormon, leaving in my adolescence, and I can assure the rest of us here that they have no 'knowledge' in the sense intended. Their entire history is an amalgamation of lies passed down in the security of ignorance among the early membership. That the church continues to exist and spread this nonsense is a measure of human fatuity.

On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Steven Bowen wrote:

On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:

The Mormons have knowledge.

I'm sorry, but I have to deny this. I was brought up Mormon, leaving in my adolescence, and I can assure the rest of us here that they have no 'knowledge' in the sense intended. Their entire history is an amalgamation of lies passed down in the security of ignorance among the early membership. That the church continues to exist and spread this nonsense is a measure of human fatuity.

Well said. JJM _______________________________________________

On 7/26/2010 10:59 AM, James Wynn wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727703.000-every-black-hole-may-hold-a-hidden-universe.html A theory that the Big Bang occurred -- and our universe exists -- within a black hole. I don't think it maps precisely to the cosmology of either the Sun Cycle or the Wizard Knight, but it has resonances for each. Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic.

On 7/26/2010 10:59 AM, James Wynn wrote:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727703.000-every-black-hole-may-hold-a-hidden-universe.html A theory that the Big Bang occurred -- and our universe exists -- within a black hole. I don't think it maps precisely to the cosmology of either the Sun Cycle or the Wizard Knight, but it has resonances for each. Also, if you think of our universe --inside a black hole-- containing black holes that presumably have their own universes, it's kinda gnostic.

Quabbalistic as well. But if you come up with a sufficiently self-consistent abstraction, it will probably resemble some model sooner or later. This can also be taken as confirmation of the backward-in-time idea echo mentioned by Dr Talos, and by the aliens in CHILDHOOD'S END, but that takes away from the cleverness of the rabbis involved. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________

The Mormons have knowledge.

I'm sorry, but I have to deny this. I was brought up Mormon, leaving in my adolescence, and I can assure the rest of us here that they have no 'knowledge' in the sense intended. Their entire history is an amalgamation of lies passed down in the security of ignorance among the early membership. That the church continues to exist and spread this nonsense is a measure of human fatuity.

The Mormons have knowledge.

I'm sorry, but I have to deny this. I was brought up Mormon, leaving in my adolescence, and I can assure the rest of us here that they have no 'knowledge' in the sense intended. Their entire history is an amalgamation of lies passed down in the security of ignorance among the early membership. That the church continues to exist and spread this nonsense is a measure of human fatuity.

Well, for all I know, there are Mormons on the list who have very insightful knowledge about Wolfe's writings. So, if I had anything personally bad to say about their beliefs, I'll keep it quiet. All of those I've met (which is hardly expansive) were fine effing Americans, and a couple were Wolfe fans, and 99% of the time that's good enough for me. ᚹ _______________________________________________

Some people, their religion is just words. Some people believe their religions. Every mormon I've met believed theirs. Those who don't have the decency to leave the church, or identify as jack mormon. .

The Mormons have knowledge.

I'm sorry, but I have to deny this. I was brought up Mormon, leaving in my adolescence, and I can assure the rest of us here that they have no 'knowledge' in the sense intended. Their entire history is an amalgamation of lies passed down in the security of ignorance among the early membership. That the church continues to exist and spread this nonsense is a measure of human fatuity.

Well, for all I know, there are Mormons on the list who have very insightful knowledge about Wolfe's writings. So, if I had anything personally bad to say about their beliefs, I'll keep it quiet. All of those I've met (which is hardly expansive) were fine effing Americans, and a couple were Wolfe fans, and 99% of the time that's good enough for me. ᚹ _______________________________________________

On 7/26/2010 5:25 PM, James Wynn wrote:

The Mormons have knowledge.

I'm sorry, but I have to deny this. I was brought up Mormon, leaving in my adolescence, and I can assure the rest of us here that they have no 'knowledge' in the sense intended. Their entire history is an amalgamation of lies passed down in the security of ignorance among the early membership. That the church continues to exist and spread this nonsense is a measure of human fatuity.

Well, for all I know, there are Mormons on the list who have very insightful knowledge about Wolfe's writings. So, if I had anything personally bad to say about their beliefs, I'll keep it quiet. All of those I've met (which is hardly expansive) were fine effing Americans, and a couple were Wolfe fans, and 99% of the time that's good enough for me.

On 7/26/2010 5:25 PM, James Wynn wrote:

The Mormons have knowledge.

I'm sorry, but I have to deny this. I was brought up Mormon, leaving in my adolescence, and I can assure the rest of us here that they have no 'knowledge' in the sense intended. Their entire history is an amalgamation of lies passed down in the security of ignorance among the early membership. That the church continues to exist and spread this nonsense is a measure of human fatuity.

Well, for all I know, there are Mormons on the list who have very insightful knowledge about Wolfe's writings. So, if I had anything personally bad to say about their beliefs, I'll keep it quiet. All of those I've met (which is hardly expansive) were fine effing Americans, and a couple were Wolfe fans, and 99% of the time that's good enough for me.

I wonder if Steven Bowen would care to comment on the individual character of Mormons still with the LDS Church, and how this might reflect on the themes of of false religions cultivating genuine virtues in Wolfe. For instance, the obviously self-promoting missionary traditon of the LDS also encourages young people in the church to not just become educated about other parts of the world but also to become familiar with them first hand and perform charitable acts there along with the rest of the mission. How much of this is borne out in practice? -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________

On Jul 26, 2010, at 6:25 PM, James Wynn wrote: Well, for all I know, there are Mormons on the list who have very insightful knowledge about Wolfe's writings. So, if I had anything personally bad to say about their beliefs, I'll keep it quiet. All of those I've met (which is hardly expansive) were fine effing Americans, and a couple were Wolfe fans, and 99% of the time that's good enough for me.

On Jul 26, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote: I wonder if Steven Bowen would care to comment on the individual character of Mormons still with the LDS Church, and how this might reflect on the themes of of false religions cultivating genuine virtues in Wolfe. For instance, the obviously self-promoting missionary traditon of the LDS also encourages young people in the church to not just become educated about other parts of the world but also to become familiar with them first hand and perform charitable acts there along with the rest of the mission. How much of this is borne out in practice?

On Jul 26, 2010, at 6:25 PM, James Wynn wrote:

Well, for all I know, there are Mormons on the list who have very insightful knowledge about Wolfe's writings. So, if I had anything personally bad to say about their beliefs, I'll keep it quiet. All of those I've met (which is hardly expansive) were fine effing Americans, and a couple were Wolfe fans, and 99% of the time that's good enough for me.

Well, I'm glad to see that distinction made - certainly didn't want to imply that I thought the LDS reader deficient in some manner relating to their ability to contribute here. I only wanted to challenge the idea that they have some real esoteric knowledge of the ultimate nature of reality. It's my contention they don't, and I'm skeptical of other claims to 'secret knowledge'. I don't have a special condemnation of the Mormons except for the fact that my father's family were pushcart pioneers. My yap is shut. Steve _______________________________________________

On Aug 1, 2010, at 2:32 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: Joe Smith was a freemason and a professional treasure seer before he became a prophet.

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Steven Bowen <McQuaryq at comcast.net> wrote: On Aug 1, 2010, at 2:32 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: Joe Smith was a freemason and a professional treasure seer before he became a prophet. That's pretty rich - professional treasure seer. Is there any record of him finding any treasure? Or did he just take money for his 'services'? One of the scams involved telling the client that the treasure was sinking into the earth as the hole was dug towards it. Oh, it's there all right - just keep pluggin' along. Chase it to the bowels of the earth or until your money or gumption runs out. But it's there, I assure you. Steve _______________________________________________

Matthew Weber wrote: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Steven Bowen <McQuaryq at comcast.net <mailto:McQuaryq at comcast.net>> wrote: On Aug 1, 2010, at 2:32 AM, brunians at brunians.org <mailto:brunians at brunians.org> wrote:

Joe Smith was a freemason and a professional treasure seer before he became a prophet.

That's pretty rich - professional treasure seer. Is there any record of him finding any treasure? Or did he just take money for his 'services'? One of the scams involved telling the client that the treasure was sinking into the earth as the hole was dug towards it. Oh, it's there all right - just keep pluggin' along. Chase it to the bowels of the earth or until your money or gumption runs out. But it's there, I assure you. Steve _______________________________________________ Well, he /says/ he found some gold tablets. But then, for some reason, he couldn't find them. Oops. -- Matt + Dark Care sits enthroned behind the Knight. Horace [Quintus Horatius Flaccus] (65-8 B.C.), Odes, bk. III [23 B.C.], ode i, l. 40 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________

On Aug 1, 2010, at 2:32 AM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:

Joe Smith was a freemason and a professional treasure seer before he became a prophet.

That's pretty rich - professional treasure seer. Is there any record of him finding any treasure?