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  "thread": {
    "id": 5678,
    "subject": "Abaia and Erebus",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2010-07-30T05:27:57+00:00",
    "last": "2010-07-30T17:23:38+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<SNT123-W14219373EFCE57080DF69CFAA0@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Lee Berman",
        "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2010-07-30T05:27:57+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Abaia and Erebus",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Jeff Wilson- That last related tale puzzles me. The very large, very pale \"pandours\"\nsuggest armed and armored siblings of Idas.\n \nPerhaps the pandours and undines are related. I take these pandours as being the\n \"cold, pale warriors of Erebus\" that are mentioned. Somewhere in the text there\nis a mention of the reconcilliation of Erebus and Abaia and this scene combining\npale warriors with undines and a deeper underwater presence might illustrate the\ncollaboration or conjoining.\n \nIn The Tale of the Student and His son, we have the Naviscaput who raped Night, \nalmost surely a reference to Nyx the primordial Greek goddess of Night. Severian\novertly associates the Naviscaput with Abaia, but the Greek legend has Nyx mating\nwith her brother, Erebus. Perhaps more evidence that Erebus and Abaia are basically \naspects (portions?) of the same being.\n \nIn Greek mythology, among the offspring of Erebus and Nyx is Charon, the Boatman\nof the dead. Many find an allusion to Charon in Dorcas' husband, the tiny old man\nso \"bowed and shrunken by age\"  who describes Father Inire with, \"just a little man\nhe is, with a wry neck and bow legs\".\n \n(can't pass up the chance to mention Rudesind here also advocate of the dead).\n \nI see this character as the possible family connection between Severian and the \ngreat, alien powers of Urth. \t\t \t   \t\t  "
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<4C530A9A.7070108@gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Wynn",
        "address": "crushtv at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2010-07-30T17:23:38+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Abaia and Erebus",
      "in_reply_to": "<SNT123-W14219373EFCE57080DF69CFAA0@phx.gbl>",
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On 7/30/2010 12:27 AM, Lee Berman wrote:\nSeverian overtly associates the Naviscaput with Abaia"
        },
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          "text": "Where does he do this?\n\nu+16b9"
        }
      ]
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