Severian and the corridor of time.

The Urth list — 25 messages, 9 voices, 04 Aug 2010
https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5686

Jason Walker04 Aug 2010, 00:33
In Urth of the new Sun, Severian travel back through the corridor of time to the ancient civilization and becomes Apu-Punchau. He goes to that time because that is the time when the new sun is created and cannot go back any further his powers come from the new sun and cannot go back any further than it was created. But then once he gets there he does not have any of his powers and the Hierodules say that this is because the light from the New Sun gives him his power and this light has not yet reached Urth. According to this, he should only of been able to travel back to where the New Sun's light has came to Urth. I am missing something or do this not make any sense to anyone else as well. Is the corridor of time outside of time/space and only needs the power from the New Sun to access it, but then he should be able to travel to anytime he wants, even before the new sun was created. I am just looking at someone else's input on this.
Jeff Wilson04 Aug 2010, 01:09

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Is the corridor of time outside of time/space and only needs the power from the New Sun to access it
We don't know for sure. The business about moving in a direction not seen before suggests that movement om higher spatial dimension is involved. The power of the New Sun may not be needed in general, but it may be that Severian needs the power of the White Fountain to achieve that movement. All the other folks that travel the Corridors seem to do it in ways that are light-related in some way (mirrors, reflective sails) or the travelers themselves are light-related (the Green Man, the Hierdules presumably make both the time-spanning saucers, the White Fountain, and the sun of Yesod), except for Juturna, which is why I think she is secretly related to Severian.
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but then he should be able to travel to anytime he wants, even before the new sun was created. I am just looking at someone else's input on this.
Once in the Corridors, he may be able to travel any distance on either Fountain-power or human muscle power, and then step down into the normal world of four dimensions. But without the White Fountain or a similar power source to draw on, he can't go back up to the Corridors. It may be that he decides to write URTH at all because with the White Fountain contained, concealed, or even consumed by the new sun, he is stuck in the early time centuries of Ushas , and is making the best of his forced retirement from saviorhood.
David Stockhoff04 Aug 2010, 01:24

↳ in reply to Jeff Wilson

Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
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Jeff Wilson wrote: Is the corridor of time outside of time/space and only needs the power from the New Sun to access it
We don't know for sure. The business about moving in a direction not seen before suggests that movement om higher spatial dimension is involved. The power of the New Sun may not be needed in general, but it may be that Severian needs the power of the White Fountain to achieve that movement. All the other folks that travel the Corridors seem to do it in ways that are light-related in some way (mirrors, reflective sails) or the travelers themselves are light-related (the Green Man, the Hierdules presumably make both the time-spanning saucers, the White Fountain, and the sun of Yesod), except for Juturna, which is why I think she is secretly related to Severian.
but then he should be able to travel to anytime he wants, even before the new sun was created. I am just looking at someone else's input on this.
Once in the Corridors, he may be able to travel any distance on either Fountain-power or human muscle power, and then step down into the normal world of four dimensions. But without the White Fountain or a similar power source to draw on, he can't go back up to the Corridors. It may be that he decides to write URTH at all because with the White Fountain contained, concealed, or even consumed by the new sun, he is stuck in the early time centuries of Ushas , and is making the best of his forced retirement from saviorhood. _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 03:39

↳ in reply to Jason Walker

Oooo, another JW! .
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In Urth of the new Sun, Severian travel back through the corridor of time to the ancient civilization and becomes Apu-Punchau. He goes to that time because that is the time when the new sun is created and cannot go back any further his powers come from the new sun and cannot go back any further than it was created. But then once he gets there he does not have any of his powers and the Hierodules say that this is because the light from the New Sun gives him his power and this light has not yet reached Urth. According to this, he should only of been able to travel back to where the New Sun's light has came to Urth. I am missing something or do this not make any sense to anyone else as well. Is the corridor of time outside of time/space and only needs the power from the New Sun to access it, but then he should be able to travel to anytime he wants, even before the new sun was created. I am just looking at someone else's input on this. _______________________________________________
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes04 Aug 2010, 15:34

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On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote: Oooo, another JW!
Maybe they're all Jehovah's Witnesses? (Badabing)
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 15:38

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I've considered the possibility. Probably not. .
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On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
Oooo, another JW!
Maybe they're all Jehovah's Witnesses? (Badabing) -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 15:38

↳ in reply to Dan'l Danehy-Oakes

I've considered the possibility. Probably not. .
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On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
Oooo, another JW!
Maybe they're all Jehovah's Witnesses? (Badabing) -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 15:39

↳ in reply to Dan'l Danehy-Oakes

The probability they are all David Stockhoff is higher than this, and also quite low. .
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On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
Oooo, another JW!
Maybe they're all Jehovah's Witnesses? (Badabing) -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________
John Watkins04 Aug 2010, 16:01

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I am not a Jehovah's Witness.
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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote: The probability they are all David Stockhoff is higher than this, and also quite low. .
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
Oooo, another JW!
Maybe they're all Jehovah's Witnesses? (Badabing) -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes04 Aug 2010, 16:03

↳ in reply to John Watkins

Ah, but I notice you fail to deny that you are David Stockhoff...
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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:01 AM, John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com> wrote: I am not a Jehovah's Witness. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
The probability they are all David Stockhoff is higher than this, and also quite low. .
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, ?<brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
Oooo, another JW!
Maybe they're all Jehovah's Witnesses? (Badabing) -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 16:19

↳ in reply to Dan'l Danehy-Oakes

All of the JW's except possibly the new one are pretty stupid. .
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Ah, but I notice you fail to deny that you are David Stockhoff... On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:01 AM, John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com> wrote:
I am not a Jehovah's Witness. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
The probability they are all David Stockhoff is higher than this, and also quite low. .
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, ?<brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
Oooo, another JW!
Maybe they're all Jehovah's Witnesses? (Badabing) -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 16:19

↳ in reply to Dan'l Danehy-Oakes

Equally stupid. .
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Ah, but I notice you fail to deny that you are David Stockhoff... On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:01 AM, John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com> wrote:
I am not a Jehovah's Witness. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
The probability they are all David Stockhoff is higher than this, and also quite low. .
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, ?<brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
Oooo, another JW!
Maybe they're all Jehovah's Witnesses? (Badabing) -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes _______________________________________________
Jeff Wilson04 Aug 2010, 17:10

↳ in reply to David Stockhoff

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On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote: Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas.
Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org >
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 17:16

↳ in reply to Jeff Wilson

When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
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On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 17:17

↳ in reply to Jeff Wilson

It's not like I'm going to come and cut your left testicle off with a knife. I don't actually do that kind of thing. It's done by doctors in hospitals these days. .
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On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
Ryan Dunn04 Aug 2010, 17:45

↳ in reply to brunians at brunians.org

The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan
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On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 18:03

↳ in reply to Ryan Dunn

Perhaps Josh Geller is a pseudonymn of Gene Wolfe, or Samuel R Delawney or Tim Powers or maybe Ishvara Farber. .
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The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 18:05

↳ in reply to brunians at brunians.org

I will say that Josh Geller is in fact an pseudomnymn of one of these folkses. .
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Perhaps Josh Geller is a pseudonymn of Gene Wolfe, or Samuel R Delawney or Tim Powers or maybe Ishvara Farber. .
The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
Ryan Dunn04 Aug 2010, 18:31

↳ in reply to brunians at brunians.org

who's that third name? or does that question answer itself? ...ryan
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On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: I will say that Josh Geller is in fact an pseudomnymn of one of these folkses. .
Perhaps Josh Geller is a pseudonymn of Gene Wolfe, or Samuel R Delawney or Tim Powers or maybe Ishvara Farber. .
The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
Rob Thornton04 Aug 2010, 18:38

↳ in reply to Ryan Dunn

Tim Powers? A fantasy and SF writer who is best known for The Anubis Gates and whose book On Stranger Tides is being turned into a Pirates of Caribbean movie. Now I have no clue who Ishvara Farber is. Time for Google.... Rob
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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Dunn <ryan at liftingfaces.com> wrote: who's that third name? or does that question answer itself? ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
I will say that Josh Geller is in fact an pseudomnymn of one of these folkses. .
Perhaps Josh Geller is a pseudonymn of Gene Wolfe, or Samuel R Delawney or Tim Powers or maybe Ishvara Farber. .
The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 19:19

↳ in reply to Ryan Dunn

It may. .
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who's that third name? or does that question answer itself? ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
I will say that Josh Geller is in fact an pseudomnymn of one of these folkses. .
Perhaps Josh Geller is a pseudonymn of Gene Wolfe, or Samuel R Delawney or Tim Powers or maybe Ishvara Farber. .
The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
brunians at brunians.org04 Aug 2010, 19:20

↳ in reply to Rob Thornton

Also friend to PKD and me. One of the best guys I know. .
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Tim Powers? A fantasy and SF writer who is best known for The Anubis Gates and whose book On Stranger Tides is being turned into a Pirates of Caribbean movie. Now I have no clue who Ishvara Farber is. Time for Google.... Rob On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Dunn <ryan at liftingfaces.com> wrote:
who's that third name? or does that question answer itself? ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
I will say that Josh Geller is in fact an pseudomnymn of one of these folkses. .
Perhaps Josh Geller is a pseudonymn of Gene Wolfe, or Samuel R Delawney or Tim Powers or maybe Ishvara Farber. .
The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes04 Aug 2010, 19:23

↳ in reply to brunians at brunians.org

Yes, Tim is a real sweetheart.
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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:20 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote: Also friend to PKD and me. One of the best guys I know. .
Tim Powers? A fantasy and SF writer who is best known for The Anubis Gates and whose book On Stranger Tides is being turned into a Pirates of Caribbean movie. Now I have no clue who Ishvara Farber is. Time for Google.... Rob On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Dunn <ryan at liftingfaces.com> wrote:
who's that third name? or does that question answer itself? ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
I will say that Josh Geller is in fact an pseudomnymn of one of these folkses. .
Perhaps Josh Geller is a pseudonymn of Gene Wolfe, or Samuel R Delawney or Tim Powers or maybe Ishvara Farber. .
The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
Ryan Dunn04 Aug 2010, 19:30

↳ in reply to brunians at brunians.org

were you at readercon this year? ...ryan
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On Aug 4, 2010, at 3:20 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: Also friend to PKD and me. One of the best guys I know. .
Tim Powers? A fantasy and SF writer who is best known for The Anubis Gates and whose book On Stranger Tides is being turned into a Pirates of Caribbean movie. Now I have no clue who Ishvara Farber is. Time for Google.... Rob On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Dunn <ryan at liftingfaces.com> wrote:
who's that third name? or does that question answer itself? ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:05 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
I will say that Josh Geller is in fact an pseudomnymn of one of these folkses. .
Perhaps Josh Geller is a pseudonymn of Gene Wolfe, or Samuel R Delawney or Tim Powers or maybe Ishvara Farber. .
The probability of Josh being a JW split persona is going up the more I read. Maybe JW stands for Jean Wolfe? Yuk yuk yuk. ...ryan On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:16 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
When was Severian ever desperate? Why, Wilson, do you want Severian to be a weaker person than he is? .
On 8/3/2010 8:24 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
Maybe he skidded past the exact point where the light reaches Urth, because he was going so fast.
Like a ship running aground, sure. His desperation of his existence as the destroyer of Urth may have given him some extra heedless speed until he overshoots the early end of the White Fountain's light and is deposited on the pampas early Incan or pre-Incan pampas. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com IEEE Student Chapter Blog at < http://ieeetamut.org > _______________________________________________
Adam Thornton04 Aug 2010, 22:10

↳ in reply to Rob Thornton

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On 08/04/2010 01:38 PM, Rob Thornton wrote: Tim Powers? A fantasy and SF writer who is best known for The Anubis Gates and whose book On Stranger Tides is being turned into a Pirates of Caribbean movie. Now I have no clue who Ishvara Farber is. Time for Google....
Audrey Farber? Melanie Hayworth? How about...Betty Jo Bialowski? ....oh, you mean Nancy. I'll just sit here in the waiting room.

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