Yesod- what is it?

The Urth list — 7 messages, 5 voices, 12 Aug 2010
https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5703

Lee Berman12 Aug 2010, 18:10
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David Stockhoff- Side topic---is Yesod merely what we know of as subspace?
Perhaps I am not enough of an SF fan to know the what subspace is.(Like, "We've got some subspace interference Mr. Chekov" ?). But given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace? Well, anyway, for me it is neither. Isn't hyperspace where matter and energy cease to exist and you can travel through time and to different universes? In my view, Brook Madregot is hyperspace because it runs from Yesod to Briah and Severian uses it to move through time. Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that in it?
Ryan Dunn12 Aug 2010, 18:16

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On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Lee Berman wrote: But given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace?
Or superspace? ...ryan
António Pedro Marques12 Aug 2010, 18:27

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Lee Berman wrote (12-08-2010 19:10):
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Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that in it?
The way I see it, Yesod differs in that it connects to all the other universes. It probably has different properties as well, but that's not very relevant, I think.
DAVID STOCKHOFF12 Aug 2010, 19:30

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yes, I think subspace and hyperspace are the same. Can it have planets? Only the starsailors know. --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:
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From: Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> Subject: (urth) Yesod- what is it? To: urth at lists.urth.net Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 2:10 PM David Stockhoff- Side topic---is Yesod merely what we know of as subspace?
Perhaps I am not enough of an SF fan to know the what subspace is.(Like, "We've got some subspace interference Mr. Chekov" ?). But given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace? Well, anyway, for me it is neither. Isn't hyperspace where matter and energy cease to exist and you can travel through time and to different universes? In my view, Brook Madregot is hyperspace because it runs from Yesod to Briah and Severian uses it to move through time. Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that in it? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ?
DAVID STOCKHOFF12 Aug 2010, 19:48

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What I was thinking is that, if the Hieromakers escaped to Yesod, it must have been available to them somehow. Perhaps it was discovered through FTL travel. Given that common SF tropes underly the books---and the older tropes are often deployed in TBotNS as though they were simple things we learned as children, because we DID learn them as children---it seems possible. And we know from Star Trek that it is possible to live and breathe there in a ship. If they had then learned to colonize hyperspace, it could lead to completely artifical machine planets like Apheta's, there being no native ones to colonize. Just a thought. For all I know, this would mean that the Yesodi planets must all be travelling at N or FTL to stay in hyperspace. --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> wrote: From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Yesod- what is it? To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 2:27 PM Lee Berman wrote (12-08-2010 19:10):
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Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that in it? ??? ???????? ?????? ???
The way I see it, Yesod differs in that it connects to all the other universes. It probably has different properties as well, but that's not very relevant, I think.
Jeff Wilson12 Aug 2010, 22:05

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Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's.
Textev, please?
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Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that in it?
Depends on the physical laws there. Stephen Baxter's RAFT explores a space-time where the force of gravity is much stronger, resulting in "stars" on the scale of a mile that last for a few years.
António Marques12 Aug 2010, 22:56

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DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote: What I was thinking is that, if the Hieromakers escaped to Yesod, it must have been available to them somehow. Perhaps it was discovered through FTL travel. Given that common SF tropes underly the books---and the older tropes are often deployed in TBotNS as though they were simple things we learned as children, because we DID learn them as children---it seems possible. And we know from Star Trek that it is possible to live and breathe there in a ship. If they had then learned to colonize hyperspace, it could lead to completely artifical machine planets like Apheta's, there being no native ones to colonize. Just a thought. For all I know, this would mean that the Yesodi planets must all be travelling at N or FTL to stay in hyperspace.
Yeah, that's interesting. I just have problems with the living-in-hyperspace thing, but that's not relevant here.

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