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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5703, "subject": "Yesod- what is it?", "messages": 7, "voices": 5, "first": "2010-08-12T18:10:56+00:00", "last": "2010-08-12T22:56:39+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2010-08-12T18:10:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Yesod- what is it?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "David Stockhoff- \nSide topic---is Yesod merely what we know of as subspace?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Perhaps I am not enough of an SF fan to know the what subspace is.(Like, \n\"We've got some subspace interference Mr. Chekov\" ?). \n \nBut given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace?\n \n \nWell, anyway, for me it is neither. Isn't hyperspace where matter and energy\ncease to exist and you can travel through time and to different universes? In \nmy view, Brook Madregot is hyperspace because it runs from Yesod to Briah and \nSeverian uses it to move through time.\n \nYesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. \nCan hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that\nin it? \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Ryan Dunn", "address": "ryan at liftingfaces.com" }, "date": "2010-08-12T18:16:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Yesod- what is it?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Lee Berman wrote:\nBut given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Or superspace?\n\n...ryan" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C643D1A.6050305@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-08-12T18:27:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Yesod- what is it?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Lee Berman wrote (12-08-2010 19:10):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's.\nCan hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that\nin it? \t\t \t \t\t" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The way I see it, Yesod differs in that it connects to all the other \nuniverses. It probably has different properties as well, but that's not very \nrelevant, I think." } ] }, { "message_id": "<95728.87942.qm@web84101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2010-08-12T19:30:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Yesod- what is it?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "yes, I think subspace and hyperspace are the same. \n\nCan it have planets? Only the starsailors know.\n\n--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Lee Berman \nSubject: (urth) Yesod- what is it?\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nDate: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 2:10 PM\nDavid Stockhoff- \nSide topic---is Yesod merely what we know of as subspace?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Perhaps I am not enough of an SF fan to know the what subspace is.(Like, \n\"We've got some subspace interference Mr. Chekov\" ?). \n \nBut given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace?\n \n \nWell, anyway, for me it is neither. Isn't hyperspace where matter and energy\ncease to exist and you can travel through time and to different universes? In \nmy view, Brook Madregot is hyperspace because it runs from Yesod to Briah and \nSeverian uses it to move through time.\n \nYesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. \nCan hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that\nin it? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? " } ] }, { "message_id": "<836164.78515.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2010-08-12T19:48:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Yesod- what is it?", "in_reply_to": "<4C643D1A.6050305@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What I was thinking is that, if the Hieromakers escaped to Yesod, it must have been available to them somehow. Perhaps it was discovered through FTL travel. Given that common SF tropes underly the books---and the older tropes are often deployed in TBotNS as though they were simple things we learned as children, because we DID learn them as children---it seems possible. And we know from Star Trek that it is possible to live and breathe there in a ship.\n\nIf they had then learned to colonize hyperspace, it could lead to completely artifical machine planets like Apheta's, there being no native ones to colonize.\n\nJust a thought. For all I know, this would mean that the Yesodi planets must all be travelling at N or FTL to stay in hyperspace. \n\n--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\n\nFrom: Ant?nio Pedro Marques \nSubject: Re: (urth) Yesod- what is it?\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 2:27 PM\n\nLee Berman wrote (12-08-2010 19:10):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's.\nCan hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that\nin it? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The way I see it, Yesod differs in that it connects to all the other universes. It probably has different properties as well, but that's not very relevant, I think." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2010-08-12T22:05:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Yesod- what is it?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and\nSeverian's." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Textev, please?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff\nlike that\nin it?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Depends on the physical laws there. Stephen Baxter's RAFT explores a\nspace-time where the force of gravity is much stronger, resulting in\n\"stars\" on the scale of a mile that last for a few years." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C647C27.6030501@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-08-12T22:56:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Yesod- what is it?", "in_reply_to": "<836164.78515.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote:\nWhat I was thinking is that, if the Hieromakers escaped to Yesod, it\nmust have been available to them somehow. Perhaps it was discovered\nthrough FTL travel. Given that common SF tropes underly the books---and\nthe older tropes are often deployed in TBotNS as though they were simple\nthings we learned as children, because we DID learn them as\nchildren---it seems possible. And we know from Star Trek that it is\npossible to live and breathe there in a ship.\n\nIf they had then learned to colonize hyperspace, it could lead to\ncompletely artifical machine planets like Apheta's, there being no\nnative ones to colonize.\n\nJust a thought. For all I know, this would mean that the Yesodi planets\nmust all be travelling at N or FTL to stay in hyperspace." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yeah, that's interesting. I just have problems with the \nliving-in-hyperspace thing, but that's not relevant here." } ] } ] }