Yesod- what is it? The Urth list — 7 messages, 5 voices, 12 Aug 2010 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5703 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== Lee Berman — 12 Aug 2010, 18:10 > David Stockhoff- > Side topic---is Yesod merely what we know of as subspace? Perhaps I am not enough of an SF fan to know the what subspace is.(Like, "We've got some subspace interference Mr. Chekov" ?). But given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace? Well, anyway, for me it is neither. Isn't hyperspace where matter and energy cease to exist and you can travel through time and to different universes? In my view, Brook Madregot is hyperspace because it runs from Yesod to Briah and Severian uses it to move through time. Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that in it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ryan Dunn — 12 Aug 2010, 18:16 in reply to Lee Berman > On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Lee Berman wrote: > But given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace? Or superspace? ...ryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ António Pedro Marques — 12 Aug 2010, 18:27 in reply to Lee Berman Lee Berman wrote (12-08-2010 19:10): > Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. > Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that > in it? The way I see it, Yesod differs in that it connects to all the other universes. It probably has different properties as well, but that's not very relevant, I think. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ DAVID STOCKHOFF — 12 Aug 2010, 19:30 in reply to Lee Berman yes, I think subspace and hyperspace are the same. Can it have planets? Only the starsailors know. --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lee Berman wrote: > From: Lee Berman > Subject: (urth) Yesod- what is it? > To: urth at lists.urth.net > Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 2:10 PM > David Stockhoff- > Side topic---is Yesod merely what we know of as subspace? Perhaps I am not enough of an SF fan to know the what subspace is.(Like, "We've got some subspace interference Mr. Chekov" ?). But given that Yesod is a higher universe, wouldn't it be hyperspace? Well, anyway, for me it is neither. Isn't hyperspace where matter and energy cease to exist and you can travel through time and to different universes? In my view, Brook Madregot is hyperspace because it runs from Yesod to Briah and Severian uses it to move through time. Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that in it? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ DAVID STOCKHOFF — 12 Aug 2010, 19:48 in reply to António Pedro Marques What I was thinking is that, if the Hieromakers escaped to Yesod, it must have been available to them somehow. Perhaps it was discovered through FTL travel. Given that common SF tropes underly the books---and the older tropes are often deployed in TBotNS as though they were simple things we learned as children, because we DID learn them as children---it seems possible. And we know from Star Trek that it is possible to live and breathe there in a ship. If they had then learned to colonize hyperspace, it could lead to completely artifical machine planets like Apheta's, there being no native ones to colonize. Just a thought. For all I know, this would mean that the Yesodi planets must all be travelling at N or FTL to stay in hyperspace. --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote: From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques Subject: Re: (urth) Yesod- what is it? To: "The Urth Mailing List" Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 2:27 PM Lee Berman wrote (12-08-2010 19:10): > Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and Severian's. > Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff like that > in it? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? The way I see it, Yesod differs in that it connects to all the other universes. It probably has different properties as well, but that's not very relevant, I think. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Wilson — 12 Aug 2010, 22:05 in reply to Lee Berman > Yesod is a universe with suns and planets and gravity, like ours and > Severian's. Textev, please? > Can hyperspace or subspace have suns and planets and gravity and stuff > like that > in it? Depends on the physical laws there. Stephen Baxter's RAFT explores a space-time where the force of gravity is much stronger, resulting in "stars" on the scale of a mile that last for a few years. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ António Marques — 12 Aug 2010, 22:56 in reply to DAVID STOCKHOFF > DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote: > What I was thinking is that, if the Hieromakers escaped to Yesod, it > must have been available to them somehow. Perhaps it was discovered > through FTL travel. Given that common SF tropes underly the books---and > the older tropes are often deployed in TBotNS as though they were simple > things we learned as children, because we DID learn them as > children---it seems possible. And we know from Star Trek that it is > possible to live and breathe there in a ship. > > If they had then learned to colonize hyperspace, it could lead to > completely artifical machine planets like Apheta's, there being no > native ones to colonize. > > Just a thought. For all I know, this would mean that the Yesodi planets > must all be travelling at N or FTL to stay in hyperspace. Yeah, that's interesting. I just have problems with the living-in-hyperspace thing, but that's not relevant here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------