{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5727", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5727, "subject": "Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "messages": 9, "voices": 6, "first": "2010-08-25T22:07:00+00:00", "last": "2010-08-26T15:07:28+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dave Tallman", "address": "davetallman at msn.com" }, "date": "2010-08-25T22:07:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "For what it's worth, my forgery explanation for \"Seven American Nights\" (as\nposted on the WolfeWiki) has won a \"2010 Pulitzer Prize for Commentary\" on\nthe waggish blog. He found it a most satisfying explanation.\n\nHere is the link:\nhttp://www.waggish.org/2010/08/10/gene-wolfe-challenge-won/" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C75961F.8080501@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2010-08-25T22:15:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Congratulations!\n\nToo bad there's no grant attached. You've done some really good work here." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Dave Tallman wrote:\nFor what it's worth, my forgery explanation for \"Seven American \nNights\" (as posted on the WolfeWiki) has won a \"2010 Pulitzer Prize \nfor Commentary\" on the waggish blog. He found it a most satisfying \nexplanation.\n\nHere is the \nlink: http://www.waggish.org/2010/08/10/gene-wolfe-challenge-won/\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jack Smith", "address": "jack.smith.1946 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-08-25T22:45:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Congratulations." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Dave Tallman wrote:\nFor what it's worth, my forgery explanation for \"Seven American Nights\" (as\nposted on the WolfeWiki) has won a \"2010 Pulitzer Prize for Commentary\" on\nthe waggish blog. He found it a most satisfying explanation.\n\nHere is the link:\nhttp://www.waggish.org/2010/08/10/gene-wolfe-challenge-won/\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<808615.18490.qm@smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar", "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk" }, "date": "2010-08-26T08:07:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 23:07 25/08/2010, Dave Tallman wrote:\nFor what it's worth, my forgery explanation for \"Seven American \nNights\" (as posted on the WolfeWiki) has won a \"2010 Pulitzer Prize \nfor Commentary\" on the waggish blog. He found it a most satisfying explanation.\n\nHere is the link: \nhttp://www.waggish.org/2010/08/10/gene-wolfe-challenge-won/" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Good stuff! Having watched closely as you gradually assembled the \nelements of the explanation, I moved from sceptical to pretty much \nconvinced. Although I should probably now closely reread the story in \nthe light of the explanation, to see if I can see any new problems :-)\n\nbest,\n\nMo\n\n\n# ~ # ~ #\n\nWolfeWiki -- a wiki about Gene Wolfe\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/ " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C7660BA.8030307@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-08-26T12:40:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": "<808615.18490.qm@smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " This is what Mr Waggish said about 7AN in Dec. 2009:\n\n\"The multiplicity of interpretations of 7 American Nights suggests to me \nthat no, it will never be figured out. There are too many 'clues' people \nare finding that Wolfe did not intend; or rather, the real clues are too \nobscure.\"\n\nu+16b9" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2010-08-26T13:14:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": "<4C7660BA.8030307@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "waggish- Still, the ultimate plot details are yet again interesting in revealing Wolfe’s \nseemingly strong anti-colonial attitudes once again. America looks even worse than it does \non initial reading now that their evil plot is revealed, and Islam comes off as positively \ntolerant. At least in recent years, Wolfe has been something of a Catholic populist right-winger, \nand so I find it hard to believe he would write this story today. I would say the same of Fifth \nHead of Cerberus," }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nInteresting that 5HoC is invoked on the theme of anti-colonialism. My first thought is that Dave's\nconclusion is similar to the generally acknowledged solution to the mystery of VRT. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C76752D.4090400@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-08-26T14:07:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "At least in recent years, Wolfe has been something of a Catholic populist right-winger,\nand so I find it hard to believe he would write this story today. I would say the same of Fifth\nHead of Cerberus," }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Has Waggish read An Evil Guest?\n\nAlso, Wolfe has always been a populist right-winger.\n\nLast year at this time I heard him say (as I reported then):\n\n\"The form of government I favor is democracy. America is not a democracy \nand never has been. We have a republic. That means that every so often \nwe choose people to rule over us. And once we have, you can believe, \nthey know it.\"\n\nu+16b9" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dave Tallman", "address": "davetallman at msn.com" }, "date": "2010-08-26T14:13:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": "<4C76752D.4090400@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mo Holkar wrote:\n\nGood stuff! Having watched closely as you gradually assembled the\n\nelements of the explanation, I moved from sceptical to pretty much\n\nconvinced. Although I should probably now closely reread the story in\n\nthe light of the explanation, to see if I can see any new problems :-\n\n\nThanks to everyone. I give a lot of credit to the Urth list for\nchallenging my ideas and helping me whip the theory into shape." } ] }, { "message_id": "<682209.41775.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2010-08-26T15:07:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"", "in_reply_to": "<4C76752D.4090400@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well put. \n\nI'm not sure how SAN is postcolonial, exactly. If anything, it's postrepublican: the government that seizes Nadan no longer has any pretense to being even a republic.\n\nNadan's presence in the US is more of a simple literary reversal of Orientalism. The story doesn't show the evils of imperialism except as practiced on one's own people, as dictatorship. If a foreign government were supporting that dictatorship, it might be different---but that doesn't appear to be the case. Nadan's tourism reveals those evils, not the evils of submission to foreign empire that allows such tourism as the British once practiced in, say Egypt, though they are superficially similar.\n\n--- On Thu, 8/26/10, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "From: James Wynn \nSubject: Re: (urth) Seven American Nights explanation wins \"award\"\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 10:07 AM\nAt least in recent years, Wolfe has been something of a Catholic populist right-winger,\nand so I find it hard to believe he would write this story today. I would say the same of Fifth\nHead of Cerberus," }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Has Waggish read An Evil Guest?\n\nAlso, Wolfe has always been a populist right-winger.\n\nLast year at this time I heard him say (as I reported then):\n\n\"The form of government I favor is democracy. America is not a democracy and never has been. We have a republic. That means that every so often we choose people to rule over us. And once we have, you can believe, they know it.\"\n\nu+16b9" } ] } ] }