{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5738", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5738, "subject": "Autarchial Embellishments Collected", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2010-09-07T21:40:40+00:00", "last": "2010-09-09T23:58:55+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Ryan Dunn", "address": "ryan at liftingfaces.com" }, "date": "2010-09-07T21:40:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Autarchial Embellishments Collected", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I thought it would be a fun exercise, and so I have collected all off the formulaic embellishments various characters have used to refer to the Autarch over the course of The Book of the New Sun, in chronological order. It's worth noting that Jolenta tops the list with five mentions. Here you go...\n\n..\n\n\"The Autarch...\n\n\"... whose forbearance knows not walls nor sea.\"\n(Gurloes)\n\n\"... whose every deed is sweeter than honey in the mouths of this honorable guild.\"\n(Gurloes)\n\n\"... whose pores outshine the stars themselves.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose perspiration is the gold of his subjects.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... may he endure to see the New Sun.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose hands run with gold and whose enemies kiss his heel.\"\n(Innkeep of Saltus)\n\n\"... whose thoughts are the music of his subjects.\"\n(Alcalde)\n\n\"... whose name be thrice-blessed balm upon the scorched brows of his slaves.\n(Agia posing as Thecla)\n\n\"... whose urine is the wine of his subjects.\"\n(Hethor)\n\n\"... whose dreams are our reality.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose pores outshine the stars themselves.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose justice is the bread of his subjects.\"\n(Severian)\n\n\"... whose health is the happiness of his subjects.\"\n(Dr. Talos)\n\n\"... [whose] mercy extends from sun to Sun.\"\n(Master Palaemon)\n\n..\n\n...ryan" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C86F3FC.7070308@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2010-09-08T02:25:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Autarchial Embellishments Collected", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Jolenta also has the worst metaphors: pores and perspiration. Neither \none quite works; they are ludicrous.\n\nEach one perfectly matches its user." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 9/7/2010 5:40 PM, Ryan Dunn wrote:\nI thought it would be a fun exercise, and so I have collected all off \nthe formulaic embellishments various characters have used to refer to \nthe Autarch over the course of The Book of the New Sun, in \nchronological order. It's worth noting that Jolenta tops the list with \nfive mentions. Here you go...\n\n..\n\n\"The Autarch...\n\n\"... whose forbearance knows not walls nor sea.\"\n(Gurloes)\n\n\"... whose every deed is sweeter than honey in the mouths of this \nhonorable guild.\"\n(Gurloes)\n\n\"... whose pores outshine the stars themselves.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose perspiration is the gold of his subjects.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... may he endure to see the New Sun.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose hands run with gold and whose enemies kiss his heel.\"\n(Innkeep of Saltus)\n\n\"... whose thoughts are the music of his subjects.\"\n(Alcalde)\n\n\"... whose name be thrice-blessed balm upon the scorched brows of his \nslaves.\n(Agia posing as Thecla)\n\n\"... whose urine is the wine of his subjects.\"\n(Hethor)\n\n\"... whose dreams are our reality.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose pores outshine the stars themselves.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose justice is the bread of his subjects.\"\n(Severian)\n\n\"... whose health is the happiness of his subjects.\"\n(Dr. Talos)\n\n\"... [whose] mercy extends from sun to Sun.\"\n(Master Palaemon)\n\n..\n\n...ryan\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C86FA6F.6060200@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2010-09-08T02:52:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Autarchial Embellishments Collected", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 09/07/2010 04:40 PM, Ryan Dunn wrote:\n\"The Autarch...\n\"... whose urine is the wine of his subjects.\"\n(Hethor)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Man, leave it to Hethor, huh?\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4C8974BF.2010708@sky.com>", "from": { "name": "Jane Delawney", "address": "jane_delawney at sky.com" }, "date": "2010-09-09T23:58:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Inire's outpourings (was: Re: Autarchial Embellishments\n\tCollected)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Just for fun also, why not also compare and contrast this list with the \neffusions of Fr. Inire in his first letter to newly-minted Autarch \nSeverian - I think these trump even Jolenta's somewhat tacky hyperbole \n(Hethor's is far more tacky I'd admit, but then he's a paid-up enemy of \nthe New Sun and also a total perv, can we ignore him for the moment?)\n\nInire addresses Sev as follows:\n\n\"His servant Inire hails the bridegroom of the Urth\n\n[I think this is the only point in the entire Work where the planet is \nreferred to as 'the Urth' rather than just 'Urth'. No idea of the \nsignificance of this. However the Bridegroom metaphor is borrowed \ndirectly from the New Testament; aside from references in several \nparables, in the Book of Revelation the New Jerusalem is the Bride, and \nChrist Himself is Bridegroom.]\n\n\"Master of Nessus and the House Absolute\n\n[Well yes of course; along with the throne, Sev has inherited the words \nof mastery from his predecessor]\n\n\"Chief of his Race\n\n[Here Inire apparently recognises Severian in advance as the Epitome, \nthough we don't know whether he uses the phrase as a courtesy title or \nwhether, as a Hierodule, he truly has advance knowledge of Severian's \ndestiny]\n\n\"Gold of his people, Messenger of Dawn\n\n[The name of the renewed Urth, Ushas, is that of the Hindu Goddess of \nDawn, Ushas; and in view of what transpires, Severian is truly Her \nmessenger. And the 'Gold' metaphor echoes one of Jolenta's effusions, \nunfortunately one of the tackier ones!]\n\n\"Helios\n\n[Greek Sun God name, Severian as Apollo]\n\n\"Hyperion\n\n[In Greek mythology, the son of Gaia and Ouranos; also referred to in \nmythology as Helios-Hyperion, the High One of the Sun. Homeric writings \nrefer to a Helios Hyperionoides - the Sun, Son of Hyperion. All entirely \nappropriate for the New Sun.]\n\n\"Surya\n\n[Hindu sun/weather-god; his symbol is the thunderbolt (vajra - dorje in \nTibetan usage). This god-name is also the linguistic cognate of the \nScandinavian Thor / eastern European Perun - not inappropriate given our \nSev's later-proven ability to quieten the storm. Jesus on the Sea of \nGalilee also exhibits Thor-like capabilities]\n\n\"Savitar\n\n[The name of a Vedic solar deity, interestingly in the context of \nBOTNS, in the Vedic hymns He is a beneficent Deity and as He extends His \narms, the Dawn - Ushas - extends Her light.]\n\n\"and Autarch!\"\n\nwell of course :)\n\nJD" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 07/09/10 22:40, Ryan Dunn wrote:\nI thought it would be a fun exercise, and so I have collected all off the formulaic embellishments various characters have used to refer to the Autarch over the course of The Book of the New Sun, in chronological order. It's worth noting that Jolenta tops the list with five mentions. Here you go...\n\n..\n\n\"The Autarch...\n\n\"... whose forbearance knows not walls nor sea.\"\n(Gurloes)\n\n\"... whose every deed is sweeter than honey in the mouths of this honorable guild.\"\n(Gurloes)\n\n\"... whose pores outshine the stars themselves.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose perspiration is the gold of his subjects.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... may he endure to see the New Sun.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose hands run with gold and whose enemies kiss his heel.\"\n(Innkeep of Saltus)\n\n\"... whose thoughts are the music of his subjects.\"\n(Alcalde)\n\n\"... whose name be thrice-blessed balm upon the scorched brows of his slaves.\n(Agia posing as Thecla)\n\n\"... whose urine is the wine of his subjects.\"\n(Hethor)\n\n\"... whose dreams are our reality.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose pores outshine the stars themselves.\"\n(Jolenta)\n\n\"... whose justice is the bread of his subjects.\"\n(Severian)\n\n\"... whose health is the happiness of his subjects.\"\n(Dr. Talos)\n\n\"... [whose] mercy extends from sun to Sun.\"\n(Master Palaemon)\n\n..\n\n...ryan\n " } ] } ] }