# Where Judas lost his boots *The Urth list — 7 messages, 4 voices, 14 Oct 2010* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### António Pedro Marques *14 Oct 2010, 16:41* Incanto (I think) calls Jahlee 'Judastree' in Sinew's village. --- ### Lee Berman *14 Oct 2010, 18:19 · follows António Pedro Marques* > Antonio P. Marques- Incanto (I think) calls Jahlee 'Judastree' in Sinew's village. Hm..I admit you've lost me. Cercis siliquastrum is a small tree found in the Middle East and S. Europe. I assume it got its name from Mr. Iscariot's place of suicide. Possible to get help in explaining how it relates to Jahlee or boots? Related to Horn calling "#%&#@#@" as Seawrack? Now me, after reading BotNS would call Jahlee as "Jahi" or maybe Lilith. --- ### Jerry Friedman *14 Oct 2010, 21:33 · in reply to Lee Berman* > From: Lee Berman severiansola at hotmail.com > Antonio P. Marques- Incanto (I think) calls Jahlee 'Judastree' in Sinew's > village. > Hm..I admit you've lost me. Cercis siliquastrum is a small tree found in the > Middle > East and S. Europe. I assume it got its name from Mr. Iscariot's place of > suicide. Legend has it that the tree had white flowers, but blushed when J. I. hanged himself on it (saying, according to a reliable source, "When he's cold and dead, will he let me be? Does he love me too? Does he care for me?"), which is why it has pink flowers now. > Possible to get help in explaining how it relates to Jahlee or boots? Related > to Horn > > calling "#%&#@#@" as Seawrack? I think it relates to how Incanto feels about Jahlee's trustworthiness, anyway. Jerry Friedman --- ### António Marques *15 Oct 2010, 01:54 · in reply to Lee Berman* >> On 14 October 2010 19:19, Lee Berman wrote: >> Antonio P. Marques- Incanto (I think) calls Jahlee 'Judastree' in Sinew's village. 'while in', I meant. > Hm..I admit you've lost me. Cercis siliquastrum is a small tree found in the Middle > East and S. Europe. I assume it got its name from Mr. Iscariot's place of suicide. Folk lore says it was a fig tree. The english "Judas tree" may be a misconstruction of the latin/romance for "Judea's tree". > Possible to get help in explaining how it relates to Jahlee or boots? Oh, the boots thing is just one portuguese expression for 'a place far away nobody wants to have to go to from here'. > Related to Horn calling "#%&#@#@" as Seawrack? > > Now me, after reading BotNS would call Jahlee as "Jahi" or maybe Lilith. I don't get Incanto's mistrust of Jahlee at that specific point, but the relevant part is the use of the name 'Judas' in the Whorl's universe. Conjoined 'Judastree' may be evidence that he knew not what the components meant, but the idea of treason seems to be is there. Either way, if it wasn't there by Horn's time, it was there at some earlier point. --- ### James Wynn *15 Oct 2010, 14:25 · in reply to António Pedro Marques* > Ant?nio Pedro Marques- > Incanto (I think) calls Jahlee 'Judastree' in Sinew's village. I think he chose it as a treasonous cognate to "Jahlee" which means "false". But Jahlee says people wouldn't like her real name there. Are we to assume they speak Sanskrit or Hindi? --- ### António Pedro Marques *15 Oct 2010, 14:34 · in reply to James Wynn* James Wynn wrote (15-10-2010 15:25): > Ant?nio Pedro Marques- > Incanto (I think) calls Jahlee 'Judastree' in Sinew's village. > > I think he chose it as a treasonous cognate to "Jahlee" which means > "false". > > But Jahlee says people wouldn't like her real name there. Are we to > assume they speak Sanskrit or Hindi? Possibly arabic, given the number of trivigauntis. --- ### António Pedro Marques *15 Oct 2010, 14:35 · in reply to James Wynn* James Wynn wrote (15-10-2010 15:25): >> Ant?nio Pedro Marques- >> Incanto (I think) calls Jahlee 'Judastree' in Sinew's village. > I think he chose it as a treasonous cognate to "Jahlee" which means > "false". > > But Jahlee says people wouldn't like her real name there. Are we to > assume they speak Sanskrit or Hindi? Which raises the question: do the Vironese speak spanish? I mean, they don't, but their 'high speech' which they seldom use is probably spanish. ---