{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5788", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5788, "subject": "finally read AEG", "messages": 6, "voices": 6, "first": "2010-11-30T18:57:27+00:00", "last": "2010-12-03T20:25:40+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Cliff Judge", "address": "transentient at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-11-30T18:57:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) finally read AEG", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It was definitely my least favorite Gene Wolfe novel and I have read all of\nthem except for that one really old one.\n\nOne question and one observation:\n\nQ. When Cassie was watching the news, to get across the idea that the world\nof this novel was kind of fallen, the reporter interviewed a young man on\nthe street who wore a golden phallus about his neck. Why did Wolfe choose to\ngive the Autarch a cameo appearance?\n\nO: Izanami was one of the two most important gods in the Japanese pantheon;\nshe married Izanagi and they had several children. The last child was the\ngod of fire." } ] }, { "message_id": "<238005.38379.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jerry Friedman", "address": "jerry_friedman at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2010-12-02T14:33:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) finally read AEG", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Cliff Judge \nIt was definitely my least favorite Gene Wolfe novel and I have read all of \nthem except for that\none really old one. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I liked it much better than my least favorite, TUotNS.\n\nAccording to somebody, possibly with the initials J. W., Wolfe seems to be very \nproud of it and especially proud of Cassie and Bill Reis. I'm not sure anyone \nhere has said they understand why. Wolfe mentioned in that recent interview in \nBlack Gate that he's tempted to write a sequel." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "One question and one observation:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Q. When Cassie was watching the news, to get across the idea that the world of \nthis novel\nwas kind of fallen, the reporter interviewed a young man on the street who wore \na golden\nphallus about his neck. Why did Wolfe choose to give the Autarch a cameo \nappearance?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Assuming the \"obscene symbol\" was a phallus, I still don't see him as the old \nAutarch. The young man has an incipient beard.\n\nBut there are lots of cameos in AEG." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "O: Izanami was one of the two most important gods in the Japanese pantheon; she \nmarried\nIzanagi and they had several children. The last child was the god of fire." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks, I didn't know that.\n\nJerry Friedman\n\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Ryan Dunn", "address": "ryan at liftingfaces.com" }, "date": "2010-12-02T14:48:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) finally read AEG", "in_reply_to": "<238005.38379.qm@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Dec 2, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:\nAccording to somebody, possibly with the initials J. W., Wolfe seems to be very proud of it and especially proud of Cassie and Bill Reis. I'm not sure anyone here has said they understand why. Wolfe mentioned in that recent interview in Black Gate that he's tempted to write a sequel." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As someone who was fortunate enough to have spoken with Gene about AEG on more than one occasion, I can deduce with some confidence that Cassie reminds Gene of his wife Rosemary.\n\nSome of you may have heard the interview with Gene where he chokes up when saying how Cassie took the reins of his story and became the star. Well, he expressed the exact same emotion when talking to me about it in front of my house whilst walking Bobby around the block.\n\nI nay also be so presumptuous in saying Gene sees turns of himself in both Chase and Reis, but that would be even more speculative.\n\n...ryan" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Rebecca Bushong-Taylor", "address": "rebeccabt01 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-12-03T04:46:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) finally read AEG", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi Ryan -\n\nThere is certainly a tart sweetness to Cassie that is very much Rosemary\nWolfe. He told me once that Cassie is motivated throughout by love (as\nopposed to Chase and Reis who are motivated by a number of other things).\nHe's quite fond of the character. I'm less sure about his pride/affection\nfor Reis.\n\nI don't know if Gene is especially proud of AEG, but I do know that he had a\ngreat deal of fun writing it.\n\nHope you and your family are well -\n\nRBT" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ryan Dunn wrote:\n\n\nOn Dec 2, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Jerry Friedman \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "According to somebody, possibly with the initials J. W., Wolfe seems to\nbe very proud of it and especially proud of Cassie and Bill Reis. I'm not\nsure anyone here has said they understand why. Wolfe mentioned in that\nrecent interview in Black Gate that he's tempted to write a sequel." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "As someone who was fortunate enough to have spoken with Gene about AEG on\nmore than one occasion, I can deduce with some confidence that Cassie\nreminds Gene of his wife Rosemary.\n\nSome of you may have heard the interview with Gene where he chokes up when\nsaying how Cassie took the reins of his story and became the star. Well, he\nexpressed the exact same emotion when talking to me about it in front of my\nhouse whilst walking Bobby around the block.\n\nI nay also be so presumptuous in saying Gene sees turns of himself in both\nChase and Reis, but that would be even more speculative.\n\n...ryan\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4CF8795C.5060701@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2010-12-03T05:00:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) finally read AEG", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't think I seen Wolfe light up the way he did when I asked a \nquestion about AEG. But then, he might feel the same way about Home \nFires right now." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 12/2/2010 10:46 PM, Rebecca Bushong-Taylor wrote:\nHi Ryan -\nThere is certainly a tart sweetness to Cassie that is very much \nRosemary Wolfe. He told me once that Cassie is motivated throughout \nby love (as opposed to Chase and Reis who are motivated by a number of \nother things). He's quite fond of the character. I'm less sure about \nhis pride/affection for Reis.\nI don't know if Gene is especially proud of AEG, but I do know that he \nhad a great deal of fun writing it.\nHope you and your family are well -\nRBT\n\nOn Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ryan Dunn > wrote:\n\n\n\n On Dec 2, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Jerry Friedman\n > wrote:\n\n > According to somebody, possibly with the initials J. W., Wolfe\n seems to be very proud of it and especially proud of Cassie and\n Bill Reis. I'm not sure anyone here has said they understand why.\n Wolfe mentioned in that recent interview in Black Gate that he's\n tempted to write a sequel.\n\n As someone who was fortunate enough to have spoken with Gene about\n AEG on more than one occasion, I can deduce with some confidence\n that Cassie reminds Gene of his wife Rosemary.\n\n Some of you may have heard the interview with Gene where he chokes\n up when saying how Cassie took the reins of his story and became\n the star. Well, he expressed the exact same emotion when talking\n to me about it in front of my house whilst walking Bobby around\n the block.\n\n I nay also be so presumptuous in saying Gene sees turns of himself\n in both Chase and Reis, but that would be even more speculative.\n\n ...ryan\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andrew Mason", "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com" }, "date": "2010-12-03T20:25:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Finally read AEG", "in_reply_to": "<4CF8795C.5060701@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jerry Friedman wrote|:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Q. When Cassie was watching the news, to get across the idea that the world of\nthis novel\nwas kind of fallen, the reporter interviewed a young man on the street who wore\na golden\nphallus about his neck. Why did Wolfe choose to give the Autarch a cameo\nappearance?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Assuming the \"obscene symbol\" was a phallus, I still don't see him as the old\nAutarch. ?The young man has an incipient beard." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Perhaps he was an earlier Autarch. Or perhaps he was the Autarch we\nknow, but before his testing." } ] } ] }