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  "thread": {
    "id": 5801,
    "subject": "Catherine",
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    "first": "2010-12-04T18:26:52+00:00",
    "last": "2010-12-06T18:09:08+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<AANLkTikOKnROKeMz6_HgsN8t+qXvK_TohnFMKP+zQJ5v@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Andrew Mason",
        "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com"
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      "date": "2010-12-04T18:26:52+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Catherine",
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          "text": "Son of Witz wrote:\nI'm of the opinion that if these puzzles don't yield real symbolic meat they aren't worth pursuing. That being said, the idea that the Katherine he symbolically beheads is is mother is Roast fucking Beef. ?Severian has to destroy Mother Urth. He says this memory is the start of his reminiscing."
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          "text": "Brilliant idea; it explains, what has always puzzled me, why\nSeverian's mother is called Catherine. But I'm not sure it solves the\nproblem of who is who at the mundane level. Does it mean that the\nwoman who plays the part, the maid, actually is his mother? (If 'maid'\nis understood in its traditional sense, of course, she can't be.) Or\ndoes it just mean that the woman he is symbolically killing, Holy\nKatharine, is somehow identified with his mother?"
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      "from": {
        "name": "Son of Witz",
        "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org"
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      "date": "2010-12-06T18:09:08+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Catherine",
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          "text": "On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Andrew Mason <andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com> wrote:\nSon of Witz wrote:"
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          "text": "I'm of the opinion that if these puzzles don't yield real symbolic meat they aren't worth pursuing. That being said, the idea that the Katherine he symbolically beheads is is mother is Roast fucking Beef.  Severian has to destroy Mother Urth. He says this memory is the start of his reminiscing."
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          "text": "Brilliant idea; it explains, what has always puzzled me, why\nSeverian's mother is called Catherine. But I'm not sure it solves the\nproblem of who is who at the mundane level. Does it mean that the\nwoman who plays the part, the maid, actually is his mother? (If 'maid'\nis understood in its traditional sense, of course, she can't be.) Or\ndoes it just mean that the woman he is symbolically killing, Holy\nKatharine, is somehow identified with his mother?\n_______________________________________________"
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