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    "id": 5822,
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    "first": "2010-12-15T12:14:29+00:00",
    "last": "2010-12-15T19:35:23+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<SNT123-W44766D8A0AF35770DB7340CF140@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Lee Berman",
        "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com"
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      "date": "2010-12-15T12:14:29+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) (no subject)",
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          "text": "Lee Berman- But The Green Man is a significant alternate name for the pagan horned god, Great God Pan, \netc. Is Wolfe suggesting this is the ultimate and true, unified god of Briah?"
        },
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          "text": "Matthew Weber- I really can't see how the text is suggesting such a thing any more than it's suggesting \nthat Jonas is the ultimate and true, unified god of Briah. Happy to reconsider if I'm missing something, \nof course."
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          "text": " \nWhat I mean is that after the massive plot contortions and planetary upheavals, at the end of the story on\nUshas we are not left with much of anything that suggests a Christian outcome. No monotheism, no Savior.  \nInstead we have 4 gods derived from human sources, two male, two female, two light, two dark. Plus a demon \nin the ocean. And a pagan symbol (Green Man) as the marker for this particular future.\n  \t\t \t   \t\t  "
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      "from": {
        "name": "Son of Witz",
        "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org"
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      "date": "2010-12-15T19:35:23+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) (no subject)",
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          "text": "On Dec 15, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:"
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          "text": "Lee Berman- But The Green Man is a significant alternate name for the pagan horned god, Great God Pan, \netc. Is Wolfe suggesting this is the ultimate and true, unified god of Briah?"
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        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Matthew Weber- I really can't see how the text is suggesting such a thing any more than it's suggesting \nthat Jonas is the ultimate and true, unified god of Briah. Happy to reconsider if I'm missing something, \nof course."
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          "text": "What I mean is that after the massive plot contortions and planetary upheavals, at the end of the story on\nUshas we are not left with much of anything that suggests a Christian outcome. No monotheism, no Savior.  \nInstead we have 4 gods derived from human sources, two male, two female, two light, two dark. Plus a demon \nin the ocean. And a pagan symbol (Green Man) as the marker for this particular future.\n                          "
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          "text": "The map is not the territory. The inhabitants' cosmology is a map. It may not accuratley reflect their world."
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