# (no subject) *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 15 Dec 2010* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Lee Berman *15 Dec 2010, 12:14* > Lee Berman- But The Green Man is a significant alternate name for the pagan horned god, Great God Pan, > etc. Is Wolfe suggesting this is the ultimate and true, unified god of Briah? > Matthew Weber- I really can't see how the text is suggesting such a thing any more than it's suggesting > that Jonas is the ultimate and true, unified god of Briah. Happy to reconsider if I'm missing something, > of course. What I mean is that after the massive plot contortions and planetary upheavals, at the end of the story on Ushas we are not left with much of anything that suggests a Christian outcome. No monotheism, no Savior. Instead we have 4 gods derived from human sources, two male, two female, two light, two dark. Plus a demon in the ocean. And a pagan symbol (Green Man) as the marker for this particular future. --- ### Son of Witz *15 Dec 2010, 19:35 · in reply to Lee Berman* > On Dec 15, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Lee Berman wrote: >> Lee Berman- But The Green Man is a significant alternate name for the pagan horned god, Great God Pan, >> etc. Is Wolfe suggesting this is the ultimate and true, unified god of Briah? >> Matthew Weber- I really can't see how the text is suggesting such a thing any more than it's suggesting >> that Jonas is the ultimate and true, unified god of Briah. Happy to reconsider if I'm missing something, >> of course. > What I mean is that after the massive plot contortions and planetary upheavals, at the end of the story on > Ushas we are not left with much of anything that suggests a Christian outcome. No monotheism, no Savior. > Instead we have 4 gods derived from human sources, two male, two female, two light, two dark. Plus a demon > in the ocean. And a pagan symbol (Green Man) as the marker for this particular future. > The map is not the territory. The inhabitants' cosmology is a map. It may not accuratley reflect their world. ---