{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5831", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5831, "subject": "(no subject)", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2010-12-16T18:15:55+00:00", "last": "2010-12-16T19:06:08+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2010-12-16T18:15:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "That's really the crux (heh) of it, for me. The Sun series is all about what the universe would\nbe like with no Christ. Answer- We'd really have pagan gods ruling us, vampires among us, foul,\npredatory monsters in the oceans, ghouls and human sacrifice and a lot of other nasty stuff that\nwe Earthlings, blessedly, (mostly) only have in legends." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "David Stockhoff- Possibly. That seems a bit literal to me. One could go further and speculate that such \na universe is the one we would experience, because we would create it ... because that is what we \nperceive, being creatures of superstition with no higher wisdom to guide us. At best, we'd be dupes \nin someone else's idea of progress, even if it helps us in the long run." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nAn excellent expansion and elaboration of my simplistic analysis. Please consider mine thusly expanded\nand elaborated upon! \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D0A6128.4090305@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2010-12-16T18:57:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Further, since we seem to have \"progressive nesting\" in the sense that \neach Urth develops along similar lines (i.e., parallel) while each \niteration also progresses, we could roughly map the enlightenment of \nmankind thusly:\n\nUrth phase: Much like the Old Testament. (No offense to Jews of course.) \nDim sensations of monotheism but no knowledge or real experience of God. \nNo Jesus Christ. Near the end times before the Flood, a vague sense of a \nparadise assaulted on all sides and held together by someone a lot like \nthe Serpent in the Garden. Materialistic priesthood. After the flood, \nthe future holds a pagan closeness with Nature but little more.\n\nEarth phase: The same, with the Serpent and the Flood coming a little \nearlier, but we pick up Yahweh and eventually Christ. The future could \nbe better than the Green Man's, since the Green Man will be a Christian.\n\nNext phase: Future iterations build on the improvements of our universe. \nWith each universe bound to get a Christ, they just get better. Thus the \nuniverses progress toward an inevitable merging with God.\n\nAll this is only hinted at in the text. Is this possible?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 12/16/2010 1:15 PM, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "That's really the crux (heh) of it, for me. The Sun series is all about what the universe would\nbe like with no Christ. Answer- We'd really have pagan gods ruling us, vampires among us, foul,\npredatory monsters in the oceans, ghouls and human sacrifice and a lot of other nasty stuff that\nwe Earthlings, blessedly, (mostly) only have in legends." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "David Stockhoff- Possibly. That seems a bit literal to me. One could go further and speculate that such\na universe is the one we would experience, because we would create it ... because that is what we\nperceive, being creatures of superstition with no higher wisdom to guide us. At best, we'd be dupes\nin someone else's idea of progress, even if it helps us in the long run." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "An excellent expansion and elaboration of my simplistic analysis. Please consider mine thusly expanded\nand elaborated upon! \t\t \t \t\t\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<97196CCC-C48C-4A51-9DC1-CEBE40A90041@butcherbaker.org>", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2010-12-16T19:06:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<4D0A6128.4090305@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This smells good to me." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Dec 16, 2010, at 10:57 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nFurther, since we seem to have \"progressive nesting\" in the sense that each Urth develops along similar lines (i.e., parallel) while each iteration also progresses, we could roughly map the enlightenment of mankind thusly:\n\nUrth phase: Much like the Old Testament. (No offense to Jews of course.) Dim sensations of monotheism but no knowledge or real experience of God. No Jesus Christ. Near the end times before the Flood, a vague sense of a paradise assaulted on all sides and held together by someone a lot like the Serpent in the Garden. Materialistic priesthood. After the flood, the future holds a pagan closeness with Nature but little more.\n\nEarth phase: The same, with the Serpent and the Flood coming a little earlier, but we pick up Yahweh and eventually Christ. The future could be better than the Green Man's, since the Green Man will be a Christian.\n\nNext phase: Future iterations build on the improvements of our universe. With each universe bound to get a Christ, they just get better. Thus the universes progress toward an inevitable merging with God.\n\nAll this is only hinted at in the text. Is this possible?\n\nOn 12/16/2010 1:15 PM, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "That's really the crux (heh) of it, for me. The Sun series is all about what the universe would\nbe like with no Christ. Answer- We'd really have pagan gods ruling us, vampires among us, foul,\npredatory monsters in the oceans, ghouls and human sacrifice and a lot of other nasty stuff that\nwe Earthlings, blessedly, (mostly) only have in legends." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "David Stockhoff- Possibly. That seems a bit literal to me. One could go further and speculate that such\na universe is the one we would experience, because we would create it ... because that is what we\nperceive, being creatures of superstition with no higher wisdom to guide us. At best, we'd be dupes\nin someone else's idea of progress, even if it helps us in the long run." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "An excellent expansion and elaboration of my simplistic analysis. Please consider mine thusly expanded\nand elaborated upon! \n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }