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  "thread": {
    "id": 5848,
    "subject": "Mamelta",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2010-12-21T17:10:46+00:00",
    "last": "2010-12-21T17:10:46+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<AANLkTi=zKAW7cLa_ypL7BPSSRzsF2YYeHQcPMeVMR9Xr@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Andrew Mason",
        "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com"
      },
      "date": "2010-12-21T17:10:46+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Mamelta",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Here, Silk resolves not to sleep until his mommy comes\n(here, it is Mama). Well, who does he meet in the next\nchapter? Mamelta! And later, what do we get in\nEpiphany of the Long Sun (Calde,actually) on page 220:\n\"The Outsider was the dancing man on a toy, and the\nwater the polished toy-top on which he danced with\nKypris, who was Hyacinth and Mother, too.\"\n\nKypris is Mother!? and she is probably Mamelta, too.\nNow I understand why the Mamelta scene is so familiar\n- it is like the Dorcas scene in Shadow of the\nTorturer - except instead of Grandma, we get Silk's\nmom! In the scene where he leaves his body, I am\ncertain that the tall man with blue eyes is Pas, and\nthe mother (not the one who raised him) was Mamelta."
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          "text": "I agree that Mamelta is quite likely to be Silk's mother. This is\npartly because of the mother references in the passage where he meets\nher, and partly because in the scene where he meets his parents on the\nAureate Path, one of his fathers says 'We are your fathers and your\nmothers', and he turns to the second womn and says 'You were my\nmother. I understand.' This strikes me as a weird thing to say - just\nrepeating what he's been told -  unless it's someone he has already\nmet, and he's saying '_You_ were my mother'.\n\nI'm not at all sure, though, that Mamelta is Kypris. As Gerry says,\nher description of her life at home doesn't seem to fit the monarch's\nmistress, and she appears to be on the Whorl as a technician. Besides\nthat, why would Kypris be on the Whorl?  Pas has taken a scanned\nversion of her to accompany his scanned self, and if he is sending\nclones - which I'm not sure of - I can imagine him sending a cloned\nembryo of her to accompany his cloned self. But the physical Typhon\nisn't leaving Urth, so why would he pack his mistress off? (Kypris is\nafraid that he may have killed her - presumably in the sense that\nTyphon, on Urth, may have killed her original - so she seems to think\nshe was left behind.)\n\nI'm not sure that Silk's father is Typhon - would the Outsider choose\nTyphon as a person to deliver his message? - but if he is, his mother\nstill doesn't have to be Typhon's lover, if the embryos were produced\nin vitro.\n\nAs for the identifications of Kypris with various characters, I take\nthem to be largely symbolic; Kypris is a love-goddess (and not a\npurely sexual one, even if that was her original function) so in\nSilk's imagination she becomes linked with people he loves. (I take it\nthe mother in the 'dancing man' passage is his birth-mother, who is\nhard to link with Kypris in any literal way.)"
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