{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5878", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5878, "subject": "Threadiquette", "messages": 6, "voices": 4, "first": "2011-01-07T08:15:06+00:00", "last": "2011-01-08T00:57:43+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-01-07T08:15:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Threadiquette", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Ryan Dunn: I realize this is ironic, but this last post is the perfect example of something \nAntonio could have asked Dave offline, no need to ask this question to the list.\nA lot of the clutter is from posts like this." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nHere's the thing..I'm not the only one who has adjusted to the older technology of the list and\nset up a dummy email account which I almost never access. I only use it when someone types waaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy\noutside the margins of what is readable from the website and it becomes easier to\nsee what they wrote in email format.\n \nWhat I mean is that I apologize if someone has attempted offline communication with me.\nChances are great that I have missed it. (I am happy to receive such messages at bsharporflat at yahoo.com)\n\n \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D270E6D.1090302@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-01-07T13:00:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Threadiquette", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Lee Berman wrote (07-01-2011 08:15):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I'm not the only one who has adjusted to the older technology of the list\n(...)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What you think is older technology is actually the way users who know how to \ndo it efficiently like to do it. Complaining about the list and claiming for \na 'forum' is pretty much the same as complaiing about cuisine and claiming \nfor McDonald's with its choice of 8 burgers (that moreover all taste the same).\n\nIn fact your approach is one of the reasons why threading is broken and \ndiscussions become infinitely winded (lack of focus).\n\nWhy not learn to use e-mail and write to the list in a sensible way?\n\nOf course, you're free to ignore the well-being of the list in favour of \nsome imagined comfort you get out of using it awkwardly. Free speech and \nall. Just don't add insult to injury." } ] }, { "message_id": "<6B9EDADB-A6F8-47FD-826C-E18D097276D9@butcherbaker.org>", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2011-01-07T14:25:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Threadiquette", "in_reply_to": "<4D270E6D.1090302@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:00 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\nWhy not learn to use e-mail and write to the list in a sensible way?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "While we're getting nasty...\nHow about all these multi-line adress signatures and favorite quotes that take up so much space. Who cares?\nI hate cutting those out all the time. Why put your signature on EVERY email?\nWe've got your email address already. Save it for the occasional reminder, not every damn post, please.\n\n~Son of Witz\nProfessor of Advanced Shoe Stink\n666 Gleich um die Eche,\nSnarkville, TN, 30048\n\n\"There is no limit to stupidity. Space itself is said to be bounded by its own curvature, but stupidity continues beyond infinity.\" - Severian The Lame" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D2777EA.5070500@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2011-01-07T20:30:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Threadiquette", "in_reply_to": "<6B9EDADB-A6F8-47FD-826C-E18D097276D9@butcherbaker.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/7/2011 8:25 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\nOn Jan 7, 2011, at 5:00 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques > wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Why not learn to use e-mail and write to the list in a sensible way?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "While we're getting nasty...\nHow about all these multi-line adress signatures and favorite quotes\nthat take up so much space. Who cares?\nI hate cutting those out all the time. Why put your signature on EVERY\nemail?\nWe've got your email address already. Save it for the occasional\nreminder, not every damn post, please." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The list software itself puts a footer on the bottom of every post, so \nthere has to be a footer, regardless. The decades-old convention has \nbeen to limit sigs to three lines following the double-dash delimiter. \nThe delimiter is there so that correctly-configured mail clients (also \nfreely available for decades) cut the signature for you. Is my freedom \nto have a signature less important than your freedom to chose your \ne-mail provisioning?\n\nA signature goes on every e-mail for the same reason a signature goes on \nevery piece of correspondence, homework assignment, receipt, court \norder, memorandum, artwork, t-shirt, etc. because once they leave the \nwriter's hands they cannot be expected to be encountered in any \nparticular quantity or order, or with any particular currency. I am \noccasionally contacted regarding single or even fractional items found \nyears later.\n\nSingature also change from time to time, and allow the author to provide \nother means of contact that may not be so mercurial as e-mail. I am \nsorry if this seems like a burden, but it is one you implicitly agree to \nas part of the social contract of using e-mail on the internet." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1468B021-BCBB-4D00-9DEE-BC7471F516BF@butcherbaker.org>", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2011-01-07T22:16:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Threadiquette", "in_reply_to": "<4D2777EA.5070500@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jan 7, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 1/7/2011 8:25 AM, Son of Witz wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:00 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques > wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Why not learn to use e-mail and write to the list in a sensible way?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "While we're getting nasty...\nHow about all these multi-line adress signatures and favorite quotes\nthat take up so much space. Who cares?\nI hate cutting those out all the time. Why put your signature on EVERY\nemail?\nWe've got your email address already. Save it for the occasional\nreminder, not every damn post, please." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The list software itself puts a footer on the bottom of every post, so there has to be a footer, regardless. The decades-old convention has been to limit sigs to three lines following the double-dash delimiter. The delimiter is there so that correctly-configured mail clients (also freely available for decades) cut the signature for you. Is my freedom to have a signature less important than your freedom to chose your e-mail provisioning?\n\nA signature goes on every e-mail for the same reason a signature goes on every piece of correspondence, homework assignment, receipt, court order, memorandum, artwork, t-shirt, etc. because once they leave the writer's hands they cannot be expected to be encountered in any particular quantity or order, or with any particular currency. I am occasionally contacted regarding single or even fractional items found years later.\n\nSingature also change from time to time, and allow the author to provide other means of contact that may not be so mercurial as e-mail. I am sorry if this seems like a burden, but it is one you implicitly agree to as part of the social contract of using e-mail on the internet.\n\n-- \nJeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D27B687.2090000@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2011-01-08T00:57:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Threadiquette", "in_reply_to": "<1468B021-BCBB-4D00-9DEE-BC7471F516BF@butcherbaker.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/7/2011 4:16 PM, Son of Witz wrote:\nI don't really think many of these emails stand alone. They are only really understood in a thread. My snark probably seemed directed at you, but it wasn't. Earlier the same day, i was trying to find some info about a font activation problem online, and found myself reading a list. One lister kept giving short, and even usefull replies that were 1-3 lines max, but she literally had 20 lines of sig& quotes coming up in every post. It was easy to see that she cared about the bill of rights, but having the preamble to the Constitution in every frakking post is just annoying. Don't even get me started about attaching logos and smilies." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I feel your pain; some people do not distinguish between license and \nliberty." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But man, I ain't trying to tread on you, I'm just bitching while we're moaning, or is it vice versa?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's cool, petitioning for redress of perceived wrongs is what civilized \npeople do, too. It is in the interests of informing the due process of \njustice you seek that I speak." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] } ] }