{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5880", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5880, "subject": "Simians", "messages": 5, "voices": 5, "first": "2011-01-07T19:46:15+00:00", "last": "2011-01-07T20:59:23+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andrew Mason", "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com" }, "date": "2011-01-07T19:46:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Simians", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jerry Friedman wrote:\n\n. ?My feeling is that the distinction has taken hold better than most" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "prescribed distinctions, and the words aren't synonyms--though as you point out,\npeople do still refer to chimps as monkeys." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This may differ a lot between languages. Terry Pratchett has a\ncharacter, to whom someone referred obliquely a little while ago, who\nis an ape and gets annoyed when people call him a monkey. This proved\nvery hard to translate into French, because in French the same word\n'singe' covers both.\n\nI'm with Jerry - to me they are different kinds of animal. to call an\nape a monkey would be like calling a wolf a dog. (Of course, that\nmight be appropriate in some contexts; but if I said there was a dog\nin the back garden, and it turned out to be a wolf, that would be\ndeceptive.)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D277988.3040106@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-01-07T20:37:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Simians", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Andrew Mason wrote:\nJerry Friedman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "My feeling is that the distinction has taken hold better than most\nprescribed distinctions, and the words aren't synonyms--though as you\npoint out, people do still refer to chimps as monkeys." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "This may differ a lot between languages. Terry Pratchett has a character,\nto whom someone referred obliquely a little while ago, who is an ape and\ngets annoyed when people call him a monkey. This proved very hard to\ntranslate into French, because in French the same word 'singe' covers\nboth." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I suppose 'macaque' would be too far off to be usable." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I'm with Jerry - to me they are different kinds of animal. to call an ape\na monkey would be like calling a wolf a dog. (Of course, that might be\nappropriate in some contexts; but if I said there was a dog in the back\ngarden, and it turned out to be a wolf, that would be deceptive.)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, good luck: dogs have been reclasssified as a subspecies of wolf (i.e.\nnot all wolves are dogs, but all dogs are wolves, so your garden is safe), \nwhich leaves us without a word for proper wolf. If only people realised \ngenetics and taxonomy are independent." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-01-07T20:55:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Simians", "in_reply_to": "<4D277988.3040106@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Antonio Pedro Marques: I suppose 'macaque' would be too far off to be usable.\n \nHeh! Too specific actually. There is broad ranging monkey group called macaques\nwhich must be distinguished from other monkey groups like langurs and vervets and\nof course the New World monkeys which have prehensile tails.\n \nA US politician recently lost his election for publically calling a person of Indian ethnicity\na \"maccaca\".\n \nAnyway, mention of macaques are good in my book, since the one called the barbary ape is Inuus\nsylvanus which has connections to both BotNS (Inire) and Long/Short Sun (Silver Silk). \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D277E01.6090802@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2011-01-07T20:56:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Simians", "in_reply_to": "<4D277988.3040106@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Wolf wolf!\n\n(after /Rattus rattus/)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/7/2011 3:37 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\n\nWell, good luck: dogs have been reclasssified as a subspecies of wolf \n(i.e.\nnot all wolves are dogs, but all dogs are wolves, so your garden is \nsafe), which leaves us without a word for proper wolf. If only people \nrealised genetics and taxonomy are independent." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-01-07T20:59:23+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Simians", "in_reply_to": "<4D277E01.6090802@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:56 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nWolf wolf!\n\n(after /Rattus rattus/)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Or Mephitis mephitis?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] } ] }