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    "id": 5900,
    "subject": "(no subject)",
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    "first": "2011-01-14T18:10:40+00:00",
    "last": "2011-01-14T19:47:14+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<SNT123-W250867C62AD6A21BB8C870CFF30@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Lee Berman",
        "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com"
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      "date": "2011-01-14T18:10:40+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) (no subject)",
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          "text": "David Stockhoff: Briefly, \"The sacrificial/sacral/divine king has an obligation to sacrifice himself \nfor the good of his people and the land. The maimed/Fisher king is a danger to his people as he might \ncause the kingdom to become a wasteland.\""
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          "text": " \nAh, thanks for the extra info! Maimed King is related to Fisher King- Arthurian and related to the Holy\nGrail, (which certainly has an element of chastity and sexual purity associated with it).\n \nAs one who is quite interested in Fomalhaut and the many fish/mouth/caves to be found in BotNS and \nLong/Short Sun, I am definitely going to perk up a bit when fish and fishing are mentioned.\n \nI'm thinking about the Autarch in Dr. Talos' Play. He hopes to stop the New Sun or at least stop the\nnew Creation which will populate it. Goaded by the demon, he orders his space ships to lay the Urth\nsere, to burn the \"seed\" (Meschia/Meschiane) which the demons failed to poison this time, this Creation.\n \nThus he is the anti-New Sun hoping to bathe the world in fire instead of water. I am thinking that a\nFlood is much more of a fertility symbol to ancient Middle East types, so influenced by Egyptian and\nNile-based culture, than it might first appear to us.\n \n(just some amorphous thoughts...no particular GUT here to unify things)\n \n \nRiffing on the Pringles theme again, surely someone has commented, over the years, on the possible\nconnection of creating billions of identical potato chips to an obsession with cloning. (I can remember \nwhen Pringles first came out when I was a kid. They were a pretty weird concept (in appearance, in \npackaging and in taste) \t\t \t   \t\t  "
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    {
      "message_id": "<620493.90616.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF",
        "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net"
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      "date": "2011-01-14T19:47:14+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) (no subject)",
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          "text": "--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:\nI'm thinking about the Autarch in Dr. Talos' Play. He hopes\nto stop the New Sun or at least stop the\nnew Creation which will populate it. Goaded by the demon,\nhe orders his space ships to lay the Urth\nsere, to burn the \"seed\" (Meschia/Meschiane) which the\ndemons failed to poison this time, this Creation.\n \nThus he is the anti-New Sun hoping to bathe the world in\nfire instead of water. I am thinking that a\nFlood is much more of a fertility symbol to ancient Middle\nEast types, so influenced by Egyptian and\nNile-based culture, than it might first appear to us."
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          "text": "Interestingly, both are possibly related to fertility---but the irrigation cultures handed down more of our mythical material than did the slash-and-burn cultures. So I agree there: better to drown and cover the world in green than to burn in satanic sterility."
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