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  "thread": {
    "id": 5910,
    "subject": "(no subject)",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2011-01-16T21:09:36+00:00",
    "last": "2011-01-16T23:10:29+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<SNT123-W153E71E7DA3F5A47498323CFF50@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Lee Berman",
        "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2011-01-16T21:09:36+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) (no subject)",
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          "text": "Jeff Wilson: I'm judging this on the basis that Ouen has a cloisonne of his \nmother, apparently a self-portrait since the painting business comes down her \nside of the family and Dorcas does various little artisty things while \nshe's with Severian. The obsessive boatman wouldn't have wanted to part \nwith his last picture of her esp to a child who might lose it, so there \nmust have been another for him to keep somewhere."
        },
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          "text": " \nHm..interesting. Self-portrait. Dorcas is artistic, as we know from her role\nin set design with Dr. Talos' troupe. Still, I think there might be an even \nbetter artist than her in the family.\n \nWith regard to the locket with Dorcas' likeness, we actually do know quite a\nbit about what happened to it. The Boatman is quite the opposite from obsessive \nabout keeping material things as he tells Severian in describing the loft he \ncurrently sleeps in:"
        },
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          "text": "There isn't a piece of cloisonne in it, or a garment, or so much as a nail from \nthe old shop. I tried to keep a locket and Cas's combs but everything's gone."
        },
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": " \nWhen we hear from Ouen on the subject:\n \n\"My father had a locket with her likeness. Once when I was twenty or so I came to \nsee him and found out he'd pledged it.  I'd come into a bit of money.....and I went\nto the pawnbroker's and paid the pledge and took it. I still wear it, sieur.\"\n \nThere is a BotNS story about a famous artist who draws likenesses of the people he \ncares about and who has trouble hanging on to material possessions. The artist is quite\na charismatic ladies man as well as being a trickster and a liar. Perhaps it was (monkey-\narmed) Fechin who drew that portrait. \t\t \t   \t\t  "
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    {
      "message_id": "<4D337AE5.3080808@io.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeff Wilson",
        "address": "jwilson at io.com"
      },
      "date": "2011-01-16T23:10:29+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) (no subject)",
      "in_reply_to": "<SNT123-W153E71E7DA3F5A47498323CFF50@phx.gbl>",
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          "text": "On 1/16/2011 3:09 PM, Lee Berman wrote:\nWhen we hear from Ouen on the subject:\n\n\"My father had a locket with her likeness. Once when I was twenty or so I came to\nsee him and found out he'd pledged it.  I'd come into a bit of money.....and I went\nto the pawnbroker's and paid the pledge and took it. I still wear it, sieur.\""
        },
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Whoops! I guess there's only one cloisonne. Still, if a cloisonne of a \nperson of no particular interest to the pawnbroker is worth \"a bit of \nmoney\", having one of done of a specific person could be a considerable \nexpense, especially if the image was supplied by a known artist like \nFechin. (Though I think Casdoe's dad is misrembering Rudesinde as \n\"Fechin\" when he talks about the scampy, long-limbed boy artist.)"
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          "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >"
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