# (no subject) *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 16 Jan 2011* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Lee Berman *16 Jan 2011, 21:09* > Jeff Wilson: I'm judging this on the basis that Ouen has a cloisonne of his > mother, apparently a self-portrait since the painting business comes down her > side of the family and Dorcas does various little artisty things while > she's with Severian. The obsessive boatman wouldn't have wanted to part > with his last picture of her esp to a child who might lose it, so there > must have been another for him to keep somewhere. Hm..interesting. Self-portrait. Dorcas is artistic, as we know from her role in set design with Dr. Talos' troupe. Still, I think there might be an even better artist than her in the family. With regard to the locket with Dorcas' likeness, we actually do know quite a bit about what happened to it. The Boatman is quite the opposite from obsessive about keeping material things as he tells Severian in describing the loft he currently sleeps in: > There isn't a piece of cloisonne in it, or a garment, or so much as a nail from > the old shop. I tried to keep a locket and Cas's combs but everything's gone. When we hear from Ouen on the subject: "My father had a locket with her likeness. Once when I was twenty or so I came to see him and found out he'd pledged it. I'd come into a bit of money.....and I went to the pawnbroker's and paid the pledge and took it. I still wear it, sieur." There is a BotNS story about a famous artist who draws likenesses of the people he cares about and who has trouble hanging on to material possessions. The artist is quite a charismatic ladies man as well as being a trickster and a liar. Perhaps it was (monkey- armed) Fechin who drew that portrait. --- ### Jeff Wilson *16 Jan 2011, 23:10 · in reply to Lee Berman* > On 1/16/2011 3:09 PM, Lee Berman wrote: > When we hear from Ouen on the subject: > > "My father had a locket with her likeness. Once when I was twenty or so I came to > see him and found out he'd pledged it. I'd come into a bit of money.....and I went > to the pawnbroker's and paid the pledge and took it. I still wear it, sieur." Whoops! I guess there's only one cloisonne. Still, if a cloisonne of a person of no particular interest to the pawnbroker is worth "a bit of money", having one of done of a specific person could be a considerable expense, especially if the image was supplied by a known artist like Fechin. (Though I think Casdoe's dad is misrembering Rudesinde as "Fechin" when he talks about the scampy, long-limbed boy artist.) ``` Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana < http://www.tamut.edu/CIL > ``` ---