{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5912", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5912, "subject": "(no subject)", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2011-01-17T03:25:30+00:00", "last": "2011-01-17T17:21:11+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-01-17T03:25:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Jeff Wilson: especially if the image was supplied by a known artist like \nFechin. (Though I think Casdoe's dad is misrembering Rudesinde as \n\"Fechin\" when he talks about the scampy, long-limbed boy artist.)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Careful Jeff. YOu are going too far down my path. ;- ). Rudesind was a boy\nartist who meets an artist (\"Fechin, Fechin, himself\"). Rudesind's boy portrait \nincludes paint brushes which is an old \"mystery\" prop which allows the solver to \nfigure out the painting was a self-portrait. I.e. Rudesind is Fechin. If Fechin \nhad painted the picture of Dorcas then yes, it would be worth a lot of money, as \nOuen's words suggest. So Fechin/Rudesind is Dorcas' husband. Both Rudesind and Dorcas' \nhusband speak in the same folksy dialect. Bent, twisted monkey stuff all around.\n \nI'll stop there but you can probably guess where it is headed. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D33C6E3.5020302@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2011-01-17T04:34:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/16/2011 9:25 PM, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Jeff Wilson: especially if the image was supplied by a known artist like\nFechin. (Though I think Casdoe's dad is misrembering Rudesinde as\n\"Fechin\" when he talks about the scampy, long-limbed boy artist.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Careful Jeff. YOu are going too far down my path. ;- )" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Not at all. Casdoe's dad calls Severian \"Becan\" even though he knows it \nis not the right name at least some of the time, so we know he gets \nnames wrong some times, right? In fact, he can't name the girl in the \nanecdote at all. But he otherwise speaks as thoguh he and \"Fechin\" are \nschool chums, while Severian judges him to be Rudesind's age. Meanwhile, \nFechin was a publicly known artist at the time Rudesind was a schoolboy, \nso he has to be significantly older than Casdoe's dad and Rudesind.\n\nSev can see that the boy in the portrait is the younger appearance of \nthe old man on the ladder. If the brushes really signify a \nself-portrait, it's not Fechin on the ladders pretending to be Rudesind, \nit's a plot by Fechin to make people think he looks like Rudesind." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<546c5f9d8410060c15c9c030bcf3d872@imap.io.com>", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton IO", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2011-01-17T15:08:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<4D33C6E3.5020302@io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:34:43 -0600, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nSev can see that the boy in the portrait is the younger appearance of \nthe old man on the ladder. If the brushes really signify a \nself-portrait, it's not Fechin on the ladders pretending to be Rudesind," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "it's a plot by Fechin to make people think he looks like Rudesind." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Doesn't this mean that Fechin--who was known to be handy with the\nladies--is Rudesind's biological father?\n\nOr is that theory just cuckoo?\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D347A87.1040307@io.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2011-01-17T17:21:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<546c5f9d8410060c15c9c030bcf3d872@imap.io.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/17/2011 9:08 AM, Adam Thornton (IO) wrote:\n\nOn Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:34:43 -0600, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Sev can see that the boy in the portrait is the younger appearance of\nthe old man on the ladder. If the brushes really signify a\nself-portrait, it's not Fechin on the ladders pretending to be Rudesind," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "it's a plot by Fechin to make people think he looks like Rudesind." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Doesn't this mean that Fechin--who was known to be handy with the\nladies--is Rudesind's biological father?\n\nOr is that theory just cuckoo?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I hadn't thought of that- a self portrait once removed! That would \nexplain why their descriptions look alike. But it makes Fechin and \nCasdoe's dad about 100 years old, when the dad looks the same age as \n~80-year-old Rudesind." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] } ] }