# Funes the Memorious *The Urth list — 4 messages, 4 voices, 24 Jan 2011* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Mr Thalassocrat *24 Jan 2011, 07:36* A Borges story I hadn't read before, about a man with perfect memory: http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/borges.htm Nice to ponder on what use Wolfe might have made of it in constructing Sev. But perhaps Sev suffered from hyperthymesia, even though it seems to have been defined as a condition only recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthymesia "1) the person spends an abnormally large amount of time thinking about his or her personal past, and 2) the person has an extraordinary capacity to recall specific events from his or her personal past." --- ### António Pedro Marques *24 Jan 2011, 12:19 · in reply to Mr Thalassocrat* Mr Thalassocrat wrote (24-01-2011 07:36): > A Borges story I hadn't read before, about a man with perfect memory > (...) > Nice to ponder on what use Wolfe might have made of it in constructing Sev > (...) Heh. Borges excelled in that. He got some idea and he wrote a story with the right amount of substance to illustrate it - differing from other authors in that there's barely no scenery. Almost his entire work is like that. Read almost all of it a long ago... and sadly haven't gotten the time to reread, though it's itching. My impression is that it's got everything there. There are few, if any, ideas, in Wolfe or anyone else, which Borges didn't present. Borges of course got them from a myriad of sources, directly or indirectly. There's even a Borges story where some guy from the future, which has a life span of centuries, mentions he's read only a couple of books in his life, as what is important is rereading. GW responds to Borges in a way I haven't seen anywhere else; where Borges could be considered the philosopher, GW is the engineer, finding practical application for the other's ideas. (Again, neither Borges came uo with them on his own, nor is GW some kind of imitator: their roles are quite different, complement each other and neither is subordinate - GW didn't necessarily get his ideas from Borges, and had there been no Borges, he could have built his work, or another of comparable value, all the same.) --- ### Lee Berman *24 Jan 2011, 13:38 · follows António Pedro Marques* > Mr. Thalassocrat: Nice to ponder on what use Wolfe might have made of it in constructing Sev. Yes, I agree. Good find!. And I think it goes beyond the memory thing. The term "dithyramb" is used. And this from the third paragraph: > Funes was a precursor of the superman, "an untamed and vernacular Zarathustra"; I do not doubt it, > but one must not forget, either, that he was a countryman from the town of Fray Bentos, with certain > incurable limitations. These are direct references to Nietzsche and it would appear that Borges/Wolfe view Funes/Severian as precursor to the ?bermensch, the superman, but a little too provincial/dumb to realize what he is. Zarathustra is Nietzsche's term for Zoroaster, the gnostic religious figure with a name meaning something like "pure star". Nietzsche saw humanity as a transitional form between the apes and the future supermen. No coincidence that the main theme of the movie 2001-A Space Odyssey is Also Sprach Zarathustra. Then we have Nietzsche's dichotomy between Apollonian (paternal, male, light, Judeo-Christian, science/order based) vs. Dionysian (maternal, androgynous, dark, pagan/mystic, individual experience based). This theme seems repeated over and over in BotNS. I don't know if the lines of influence of ancient gnostic religion and philosophy are in series or parallel through Nietzsche and Borges to Wolfe but they are definitely there. I have not previously seen Nietzsche noted as a major influence on Wolfe but perhaps it should be considered. --- ### Jerry Friedman *27 Jan 2011, 18:23 · in reply to Mr Thalassocrat* > From: Mr Thalassocrat thalassocrat08 at gmail.com > > A Borges story I hadn't read before, about a man with perfect memory: > http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/borges.htm Maybe you know that in addition to the surname "Funes", there's a Spanish word "funesto" that means disastrous, ill-fated, and stuff like that. > Nice to ponder on what use Wolfe might have made of it in constructing Sev. I feel sure he had it in mind. > But perhaps Sev suffered from hyperthymesia, even though it seems to have been > defined as a condition only recently: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthymesia? > > "1) the person spends an abnormally large amount of time thinking about his or > her personal past, and 2) the person has an extraordinary capacity to recall > specific events from his or her personal past." :-) Jerry Friedman ---