# Home Fires and Chelle ** SPOILERS ** *The Urth list — 8 messages, 6 voices, 25 Jan 2011* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Mr Thalassocrat *25 Jan 2011, 22:27* > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Dave Tallman wrote: > I have just read "Home Fires" and I was wondering what others thought of > it. Much is explained, but there are several points left as mysteries. One > is the true relationship between Chelle Blue and Jane Sims. Another is > Charlie. In the last few lines we have: > > "I'm going on Charlie's picnic, out of the smoke and the dirt, away from > Mick and the bottles behind the bar, and all the gray faces. I'm going away, > and I'm not coming back. > > They'll tell me when you do, and I'll be there." > > What does it mean that she's going on Charlie's picnic and not coming back? > I had the same kinds of question. Plus one other: Why was Rick so determined to kill Chelle? On another tack, "Sea shell" is surely some kind of literary shadow-cousin to Seawrack. Not the same character, obviously, but both lost a left arm, both attached to older men. --- ### Son of Witz *25 Jan 2011, 22:35 · in reply to Mr Thalassocrat* I'm not reading these posts, but I'd like to know if you enjoyed the book on a basic entertainment level at all. > On Jan 25, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Mr Thalassocrat wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Dave Tallman wrote: > I have just read "Home Fires" and I was wondering what others thought of it. Much is explained, but there are several points left as mysteries. One is the true relationship between Chelle Blue and Jane Sims. Another is Charlie. In the last few lines we have: > > "I'm going on Charlie's picnic, out of the smoke and the dirt, away from Mick and the bottles behind the bar, and all the gray faces. I'm going away, and I'm not coming back. > > They'll tell me when you do, and I'll be there." > > What does it mean that she's going on Charlie's picnic and not coming back? > > I had the same kinds of question. Plus one other: Why was Rick so determined to kill Chelle? > > On another tack, "Sea shell" is surely some kind of literary shadow-cousin to Seawrack. Not the same character, obviously, but both lost a left arm, both attached to older men. > _______________________________________________ --- ### Jane Delawney *25 Jan 2011, 22:58 · in reply to Mr Thalassocrat* > On 25/01/11 22:27, Mr Thalassocrat wrote: > On another tack, "Sea shell" is surely some kind of literary shadow-cousin > to Seawrack. Not the same character, obviously, but both lost a left arm, > both attached to older men. > Seawrack lost her RIGHT arm, amputated just below the shoulder by mysterious means (“some kind of sea-creature” an inhumi? her adoptive 'mother', trying to cling to her? what?). Also I don't see where it is demonstrated that Seawrack is younger than Horn at the time they first meet, please correct me if you know. jd > > > > _______________________________________________ --- ### Mr Thalassocrat *26 Jan 2011, 00:53 · in reply to Jane Delawney* > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jane Delawney wrote: > On 25/01/11 22:27, Mr Thalassocrat wrote: > > On another tack, "Sea shell" is surely some kind of literary shadow-cousin > to Seawrack. Not the same character, obviously, but both lost a left arm, > both attached to older men. > > > Seawrack lost her RIGHT arm, amputated just below the shoulder Oops! You're right. Anyway, they've both lost an arm. > by mysterious means (“some kind of sea-creature” an inhumi? her adoptive > 'mother', trying to cling to her? what?). Well, it's pretty clear that Babbie did it. > Also I don't see where it is demonstrated that Seawrack is younger than > Horn at the time they first meet, please correct me if you know. Surely she was younger. Horn must be in his mid/late thirties at this point; humans have only been on Blue for ~20 years. But I was thinking really of Silk, the one she departs with in the end, for the age thing. Anyway, to the extent it means anything at all, I think it has most to do with contrasts between the two women and their situations. --- ### Mr Thalassocrat *26 Jan 2011, 01:06 · in reply to Son of Witz* > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Son of Witz wrote: > > I'm not reading these posts, but I'd like to know if you enjoyed the book > on a basic entertainment level at all. I did, with caveats. I read it mainly as a "character" novel, rather than a "plot" novel. That's fine for me, but while some of the character work is pretty good, Wolfe really isn't top-notch as a character writer, IMO (Having been on a heavy Trollope diet for a while, I'm spoiled in this regard). The world and plot "furniture" all has a slightly recycled feeling; if you didn't know better, it'd be easy to guess that it was one of those dystopian future novels from the 1970's. Overall, I'd say not as enjoyable as Sorcerer's House, but more enjoyable than the first half of AEG (ie, before the beautiful writing of the second half kicks in and the deli sandwiches disappear). --- ### Dave Tallman *26 Jan 2011, 02:01 · follows Mr Thalassocrat* > Mr. Thalassocrat wrote: > I had the same kinds of question. Plus one other: Why was Rick so > determined to kill Chelle? My theory is revenge. Rick may have been uploaded with a scan of Master Sergeant Mort Pununto, the spy Chelle killed. He was the best noncom she ever had. A good officer (promoted from the ranks) and an talented spy would be valuable skills for a cyborg to possess, whether he spied for the EU or the Os. When Mort was caught as a spy Chelle was the only member of the firing squad to aim to hit him, so she was directly responsible for his death. I see little other reason for Wolfe to have included this otherwise completely extraneous story in detail. --- ### Matthew Keeley *29 Jan 2011, 02:08 · in reply to Dave Tallman* > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Dave Tallman wrote: > My theory is revenge. Rick may have been uploaded with a scan of Master > Sergeant Mort Pununto, the spy Chelle killed. He was the best noncom she > ever had. A good officer (promoted from the ranks) and an talented spy would > be valuable skills for a cyborg to possess, whether he spied for the EU or > the Os. When Mort was caught as a spy Chelle was the only member of the > firing squad to aim to hit him, so she was directly responsible for his > death. I see little other reason for Wolfe to have included this otherwise > completely extraneous story in detail. I think one reason Wolfe includes this detail is to give us a little insight into Chelle's mental state; when first we hear of Mort, we just hear that Chelle shot him. We don't learn that she was in a firing squad until the last page of the book. Of course, if we want to introduce crazy conspiracy theories (we know they'll come out eventually), we could cast some doubt on Mort's existence. Isn't it strange, after all, that the dead spy is named "Mort?" -Matt --- ### David Duffy *29 Jul 2011, 12:01 · in reply to Mr Thalassocrat* > On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Mr Thalassocrat wrote: > I had the same kinds of question. Plus one other: Why was Rick so determined > to kill Chelle? Only just finished reading this (twice, of course ;)). When Skip asks "I know the information you wanted from Chelle...Have you got it", Johnson replies "I've got it, and I won't forget it". So, he has no reason to keep Chelle alive as a witness, and possible source of information for the EU. About the calendar, Day 180 of the financial/fiscal year might still be wintery (29th March). So instead of starting on the 4th July, 1st Oct. There are still weeks. Skip's offices are in the Union Day Building, so this might be Day 1 of the year. In the last chapter, we can't work out whether Skip's OTC took just 3 weeks, as his description implies; Spring was skipped, going straight to Summer. I'm too lazy at the moment to do a time line, but the story would run roughly from March to June. "five-letter word for jaguar": ounce? "el tigre"? About Chelle, said "shell", an obvious origin would be as a diminutive of Michelle. Being Wolfe, perhaps the Wikipedian gloss of Michael/Michelle as "[in] Talmudic tradition, interpreted as a rhetorical question: 'Who is like God?'", and as the military leader of the angels. Plus, Mick and Chelle hook up towards the end. I wondered too if, just as G Gordon Liddy makes appearances in other books, whether Charles C. Blue was somehow Charles Colson? Albano Alamar: Alamar="to the sea", where of course he ends up. Even though it's an "easy" Wolfe, there are a few mysteries. Was there a specific reason why Chelle divorced her parents, or was it just that they always told her what to do? Was she genetically modified, like so many other Wolfe protagonists? Should we recognize a particular mythical figure with a resurrected mother and tricky father? Are the enemy "O"'s, or Bones? Are the energy and water shortages due to the costs of interstellar war, rather than purely overpopulation/resource depletion? Who does Charles Blue dress like (striped seersucker suit, white socks and wingtips, blue tie with red animal [lion rampant?]? Is he Colonel Sanders? Just 2c, David Duffy. ---