{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5973", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5973, "subject": "(no subject)", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2011-02-16T01:44:44+00:00", "last": "2011-02-16T02:19:51+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-02-16T01:44:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Jordon Flato: I was just so intrigued by all of the possibilities raised by everyone \nand the possible permutations of dream travel/soul enshrining etc etc that I\ncouldn't resist throwing that wrench out there for the proverbial monkey works." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nSuch open conversation works for me. Got me familiarized with a horny version of Moses\nI wasn't previously familiar with (though I was familiar with the idea of jews having\ndevil horns as James noted; it was used to good comedic effect in the movie Borat)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "James Wynn: If the Koran has a conceptual error regarding Moses, it probably came from \nChristians." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nHm. Interesting point. Especially given current animosity between Muslims and Jews." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "David Stockhoff- You mean Typhon is one of those blond jock heroes we love to hate even \nthough they are really decent enough, and Severian is a chainsmoking \ngoth in black, the kind of rebel/antihero we love to love? I seem to \nrecall Lancelot being like that. I think Wolfe has touched on that theme \nelsewhere. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nLMAO David. But perhaps startlingly on the mark. (Sir Mordred as the Goth in Arthurian legend?)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "maybe in the Sun Series things are just reversed from Christianity. The Outsider is a dark \nGod who casts sun and light gods as villains, while ours is a God of Light who casts the dark \ngods of paganism as villains. Is finding balance what Jesus did for our universe? Grasping at \nstraws but...at least grasping." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Depends what you mean by \"things.\" But achieving \"balance\" could be \ncalled \"conciliation.\" Even \"reconciliation.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nYep, you get what I am grasping at. Maybe this is part of Wolfe's \"non-traditional\" view of \nChristianity (or maybe it is more traditional than I know)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Gerry Quinn: Yeah... it really brings the androgyny out ;-)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nAh well, as a gay artist, we have to expect a bit of homoeroticism in everything Michaelangelo did. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D5B335C.7050708@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2011-02-16T02:15:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 2/15/2011 8:44 PM, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "David Stockhoff- You mean Typhon is one of those blond jock heroes we love to hate even\nthough they are really decent enough, and Severian is a chainsmoking\ngoth in black, the kind of rebel/antihero we love to love? I seem to\nrecall Lancelot being like that. I think Wolfe has touched on that theme\nelsewhere." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "LMAO David. But perhaps startlingly on the mark. (Sir Mordred as the Goth in Arthurian legend?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Possibly, but he was actually almost bad. There was also a fool ...\n\nThere are at least two kinds of heroes, after all---those who succeed vs \nthose who fail, of course, but also those who represent the best of \ntheir kind vs those who ... represent the worst, and who succeed despite \nthemselves---despite trying to drink themselves to death or tearing \napart a kingdom. The untroubled vs the troubled.\n\nSeverian is sometimes as plain an antihero as can be. (I recall at some \npoint a few years ago Elric and Stormbringer came up as a rough \ncomparison, and I still think that is a valid pairing. Following the \nscheme developed by Moorcock, Severian is perhaps best described as \nLawful Evil in alignment, moving to Lawful Good.)" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D5B3447.3050401@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-02-16T02:19:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:\nGot me familiarized with a horny version of Moses I wasn't previously\nfamiliar with" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Meh. It got *me* banging my head trying to remember what was it that I read \nnot so long ago that dwelled a great deal on Moses's horns :(" } ] } ] }