{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5976", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 5976, "subject": "Buy! Analogy!", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2011-02-19T19:07:25+00:00", "last": "2011-02-20T03:59:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Thornton", "address": "adam at io.com" }, "date": "2011-02-19T19:07:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Buy! Analogy!", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "So, and I want to preface this by stating that I am NOT on mushrooms, we've often been able to find promising lines of inquiry into Wolfe's work by looking at what books HE likes and then finding their echoes in the things we're studying.\n\nRecently we've been (or at least I've been) thinking a lot about Borges in the context of Ultan, the books of _BotNS_, etc.\n\nBut this morning it occurred to me that there might be an elephant in the room we're missing.\n\nIs there any way to stretch a consistent analogy to _BotNS_ from....\n\nwait for it....\n\n_The Wizard of Oz_ ?\n\nWe have Severian as Dorothy, obviously, and Triskele as a present-only-in-spirit Toto. Jonas is certainly the Tin Woodsman. Baldanders might be the Cowardly Lion and Talos the Scarecrow (that doesn't seem to work, quite). The Wizard: the Autarch or Inire? I can't decide. Don't forget that \"Oz\" stands for \"Oscar Zoroaster.\" The Agia/Agilus twins as the WIcked WItches, East and West? Or is Vodalus the W.W.W. ? Hmmm. This is getting less convincing, isn't it? Time to change the subject:\n\nThe Silver (Ruby if you're playing along on the Technicolor version) Slippers? The ones whose power, it turns out, was inside Dorothy the whole time? Does this sound like any well-known artifact in the books?\n\nYeah, this probably doesn't work.\n\nAdam" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4D6020B7.2020409@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2011-02-19T19:57:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Buy! Analogy!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't think it's crazy. You don't need to find 100% correspondence. \nThere is no doubt, for example, but that Jonas is \"a\" Tin Man or a \ndescendant of him." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 2/19/2011 2:07 PM, Adam Thornton wrote:\nSo, and I want to preface this by stating that I am NOT on mushrooms, we've often been able to find promising lines of inquiry into Wolfe's work by looking at what books HE likes and then finding their echoes in the things we're studying.\n\nRecently we've been (or at least I've been) thinking a lot about Borges in the context of Ultan, the books of _BotNS_, etc.\n\nBut this morning it occurred to me that there might be an elephant in the room we're missing.\n\nIs there any way to stretch a consistent analogy to _BotNS_ from....\n\nwait for it....\n\n_The Wizard of Oz_ ?\n\nWe have Severian as Dorothy, obviously, and Triskele as a present-only-in-spirit Toto. Jonas is certainly the Tin Woodsman. Baldanders might be the Cowardly Lion and Talos the Scarecrow (that doesn't seem to work, quite). The Wizard: the Autarch or Inire? I can't decide. Don't forget that \"Oz\" stands for \"Oscar Zoroaster.\" The Agia/Agilus twins as the WIcked WItches, East and West? Or is Vodalus the W.W.W. ? Hmmm. This is getting less convincing, isn't it? Time to change the subject:\n\nThe Silver (Ruby if you're playing along on the Technicolor version) Slippers? The ones whose power, it turns out, was inside Dorothy the whole time? Does this sound like any well-known artifact in the books?\n\nYeah, this probably doesn't work.\n\nAdam\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andrew Mason", "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com" }, "date": "2011-02-19T22:24:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Buy! Analogy!", "in_reply_to": "<4D6020B7.2020409@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "David Stockhoff wrote:\n\nI don't think it's crazy. You don't need to find 100% correspondence.\nThere is no doubt, for example, but that Jonas is \"a\" Tin Man or a\ndescendant of him." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Though it's a reversal of the original story; the Tin Man started off\nhuman and became tin, while Jonas started off tin and became partly\nhuman." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-02-20T03:59:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Buy! Analogy!", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Andrew Mason wrote:\nI don't think it's crazy. You don't need to find 100% correspondence.\nThere is no doubt, for example, but that Jonas is \"a\" Tin Man or a\ndescendant of him." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Though it's a reversal of the original story; the Tin Man started off\nhuman and became tin, while Jonas started off tin and became partly\nhuman." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Also, the Tin Woodman (proper name of the character, if you please)\nwishes for a heart, while Jonas is deeply, passionately in love, or\nperhaps lust." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] } ] }